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Posted by Mousetater on May 28, 2005, 10:27 am
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I have a 30 gal upright tank, currently it's a cichlid tank. It's had these
particular fish in it for over a year. Those things are hardy! General mix
South African cichlids 5 or 6.
I wanted to add something new. Knowing the aggressive nature of cichlid, I
tried to do all that I read and heard to keep everyone happy...NOT! I
followed the explicit directions of the store owner. He appeared to be a
Cichlid expert, I did this:
I removed all the decorations, added a NEW decoration, big cave thing,
stirred up the tank, removed 5 gallons and replaced. All of that was
supposed to sort of "reset" them and let them find their own territory
again. ..NOT.
Before I put it all back together, I added 2 Firemouths. When the dust
settled for the stirring and they saw each other..OMG, it was like a melee.
It was actually kind a funny. These guys had all gotten along great. Now,
best friends were chasing each other, they'd run by another fish then turn
around and go after him. I took out the largest terrorist and put in a sep
bowl to see what happened. Then the remaining ones just got worse. I finally
went to bed. I got up this morning they're all still alive..ragged...but
alive.
Months ago I did put in a new south African....he was a nice quick snack.
It's weird really. Normally the most docile and endearing happy orange fish,
Nemo the kids call it, now has a gun and a bad attitude. You can almost hear
"are you lookin at me" over and over. haha Even the pictus catfish is
raising cane, swimming in big circles.
I'm sure they're stressed over all the changes, and some will not make it.
But even the kids were saying, "daddy, we need a new fish!". Cichlids are
enjoyable, beautiful and have a personality,but unlike regular tropicals
they are long term hardy and aggressive.
OH well, just thought I'd share some cichlid experience. I'm not sure what
happens from here, time out wont' work.
Lesson I've learned here is: When setting up a cichlid tank, get EVERY one
you might ever want to enjoy looking at. Because they are very hardy when
stable, and apparantly will NEVER accept a new fish.
Any other advice appreciated.
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Posted by Amateur Cichlids on May 28, 2005, 6:48 pm
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I tried to do all that I read and heard to keep everyone happy...NOT! I
> followed the explicit directions of the store owner. He appeared to be a
> Cichlid expert, I did this:
>
> Any other advice appreciated.
>
At first glance, this post appears to be the post from someone looking
to start a flamewar. Otherwise known as a troll. You go out or your way to
say you ignored anything you read and ignored any advice you've gotten.
You've gone to a newsgroup where people are sometimes over sentimental when
it comes to their fish and stated how funny it was to see them in chaos and
attacking each other. For some reason, I find it hard to believe you would
appreciate any advice that would be offered. *shrug*
Just my impression. Enjoy your fish.
Tim
http://www.fishaholics.org
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Posted by Mousetater on May 28, 2005, 7:12 pm
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Well, I am new to the group. I just wanted some advice. Please excuse my
ignorance.
I thought I could just ask an innocent Cichlid question. I guess not.
More importantly, if innocent questions are perceived as what you implied,
I guess I need to re-evaluate the need for newsgroups at all. I was under
the assumption that you could go to newsgroups for help.
I respectfully remove myself and if could, I'd remove the post.
G'day
>
> I tried to do all that I read and heard to keep everyone happy...NOT! I
> > followed the explicit directions of the store owner. He appeared to be a
> > Cichlid expert, I did this:
> >
> > Any other advice appreciated.
> >
>
> At first glance, this post appears to be the post from someone looking
> to start a flamewar. Otherwise known as a troll. You go out or your way to
> say you ignored anything you read and ignored any advice you've gotten.
> You've gone to a newsgroup where people are sometimes over sentimental
when
> it comes to their fish and stated how funny it was to see them in chaos
and
> attacking each other. For some reason, I find it hard to believe you would
> appreciate any advice that would be offered. *shrug*
> Just my impression. Enjoy your fish.
> Tim
> http://www.fishaholics.org
>
>
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Posted by Amateur Cichlids on May 28, 2005, 7:56 pm
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> Well, I am new to the group. I just wanted some advice. Please excuse my
> ignorance.
> I thought I could just ask an innocent Cichlid question. I guess not.
> More importantly, if innocent questions are perceived as what you implied,
> I guess I need to re-evaluate the need for newsgroups at all. I was under
> the assumption that you could go to newsgroups for help.
> I respectfully remove myself and if could, I'd remove the post.
> G'day
>
Please don't excuse yourself on my account. I rarely post here anymore.
I spend most of my time at websites where I can use smilies to get my point
across. There are hundreds of people who post on the newsgroups. Letting one
person offend you to the point where you leave is just plain silly.
Especially when posting someplace that is "unmoderated."
If you were sincerely looking for advice, I'd tell you that your tank is
in all probability too small. This based on a 30 gallon may house a pair of
Firemouths by themselves with nothing else. I'd inform you that the orange
fish you mention is probably a Metriaclima estherae and should be housed in
a 75 gallon tank or larger. They're algae grazers and have developed their
temperments from years of evolution of protecting their grazing area in Lake
Malawi. The only Mbuna I would consider for a thirty gallon tank would maybe
be Labidochromis caeruleus or Iodotropheus sprengerae.
I've found over the past few years that most new people to the hobby
don't appreciate any advice that implies they may have done something wrong.
They get defensive and say things like "The fish all seem to be doing fine."
or "My buddy has a dozen tanks and he's not having any problems." Or they
use say their LFS said it was OK. The LFS guy who wants you to buy fish so
he makes money. This isn't to say that all LFS's lie and mislead, but I've
seen enough bad advice given to make me think twice about accepting their
advice. I would start researching more and instead of ignoring what you
read, weigh out everything. A good book for beginers with cichlids would be
"Enjoying Cichlids 2nd edition" edited by Ad Konings. A little more
trustworthy than a friend, website, Newsgroup or LFS.
From the people who've been in the hobby a while, I've found they love
their fish like people love dogs. When someone talks about fish attacking
each other and says it's funny, it typically generates a lot of irate
responses. Some of those responses can be quite brutal. So, when I see you
posting this type of stuff, I go say "Wow. People are going to flip out on
this guy." But then I figure you've must of read some of the posts and would
know how people would react, so I figure you weren't some innocent poster,
but someone looking to upset people. Either way, I'm going hiking Monday to
kick off my two weeks off and am pretty apathetic towards the whole thing.
If you do read this, even if you disagree, I hope you can see my point
of view. And even if you can't, I'll say again, Enjoy your fish.
Tim
http://www.fishaholics.org
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Posted by Mousetater on May 28, 2005, 10:01 pm
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Tim, thank you.
Since I am not passionate about the cichlids, I guess I'm just not a good
candidate for this forum. I meant no harm. I am sorry and I sincerely
appreciate your well worded response. On re-reading my post, I guess I can
see where your coming from.
Good luck on your hike and be safe,
>
> > Well, I am new to the group. I just wanted some advice. Please excuse my
> > ignorance.
> > I thought I could just ask an innocent Cichlid question. I guess not.
> > More importantly, if innocent questions are perceived as what you
implied,
> > I guess I need to re-evaluate the need for newsgroups at all. I was
under
> > the assumption that you could go to newsgroups for help.
> > I respectfully remove myself and if could, I'd remove the post.
> > G'day
> >
> Please don't excuse yourself on my account. I rarely post here
anymore.
> I spend most of my time at websites where I can use smilies to get my
point
> across. There are hundreds of people who post on the newsgroups. Letting
one
> person offend you to the point where you leave is just plain silly.
> Especially when posting someplace that is "unmoderated."
> If you were sincerely looking for advice, I'd tell you that your tank
is
> in all probability too small. This based on a 30 gallon may house a pair
of
> Firemouths by themselves with nothing else. I'd inform you that the orange
> fish you mention is probably a Metriaclima estherae and should be housed
in
> a 75 gallon tank or larger. They're algae grazers and have developed their
> temperments from years of evolution of protecting their grazing area in
Lake
> Malawi. The only Mbuna I would consider for a thirty gallon tank would
maybe
> be Labidochromis caeruleus or Iodotropheus sprengerae.
> I've found over the past few years that most new people to the hobby
> don't appreciate any advice that implies they may have done something
wrong.
> They get defensive and say things like "The fish all seem to be doing
fine."
> or "My buddy has a dozen tanks and he's not having any problems." Or they
> use say their LFS said it was OK. The LFS guy who wants you to buy fish so
> he makes money. This isn't to say that all LFS's lie and mislead, but I've
> seen enough bad advice given to make me think twice about accepting their
> advice. I would start researching more and instead of ignoring what you
> read, weigh out everything. A good book for beginers with cichlids would
be
> "Enjoying Cichlids 2nd edition" edited by Ad Konings. A little more
> trustworthy than a friend, website, Newsgroup or LFS.
> From the people who've been in the hobby a while, I've found they love
> their fish like people love dogs. When someone talks about fish attacking
> each other and says it's funny, it typically generates a lot of irate
> responses. Some of those responses can be quite brutal. So, when I see you
> posting this type of stuff, I go say "Wow. People are going to flip out on
> this guy." But then I figure you've must of read some of the posts and
would
> know how people would react, so I figure you weren't some innocent poster,
> but someone looking to upset people. Either way, I'm going hiking Monday
to
> kick off my two weeks off and am pretty apathetic towards the whole thing.
> If you do read this, even if you disagree, I hope you can see my point
> of view. And even if you can't, I'll say again, Enjoy your fish.
> Tim
> http://www.fishaholics.org
>
>
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> Cichlid expert, I did this:
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> Any other advice appreciated.
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