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Electric blue - Sciaenochromis ahli vs Sciaenochromis fryeri Jim Morcombe 12-21-2006
Posted by Jim Morcombe on December 21, 2006, 4:06 am
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I have been selling a few of my "Electric Blues" to a LFS for very
little money. I tried another today and he looked at my fish and said
they weren't electric blues. He noticed there were "dots" on the side
of some and said they must be a hybrid with a peacock. He then showed
me his Electric Blue and showed me a reference book with a picture of a
Sciaenochromis fryeri.

Researching the net, mine are definitely Scianochromis ahli - both the
male and the female match pictures on the web exactly. However, how do
I explain the "spots" on some of the juveniles.

Does anyone have any knowledge of Sciaenochromis Ahlis?

Posted by RedForeman on December 27, 2006, 11:28 am
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> I have been selling a few of my "Electric Blues" to a LFS for very
> little money. I tried another today and he looked at my fish and said
> they weren't electric blues. He noticed there were "dots" on the side
> of some and said they must be a hybrid with a peacock. He then showed
> me his Electric Blue and showed me a reference book with a picture of a
> Sciaenochromis fryeri.
>
> Researching the net, mine are definitely Scianochromis ahli - both the
> male and the female match pictures on the web exactly. However, how do
> I explain the "spots" on some of the juveniles.

Simple, he's probably just un-educated to the breed. but first, I have
1 question... are there ANY other breeders in that tank? if so, he
'might' be right... if you ONLY have that type of fish, then it's
purely genetics. Secondarily, the guy at the LFS could have been a
dunce and just not known, or only knew of some... anything is possible
there....

> Does anyone have any knowledge of Sciaenochromis Ahlis?

www.cichlidforum.com
www.cichlids.com
www.malawicichlids.com

are all good sites for reference.... although, when fish are bought and
bred, and sold, and bought, and etc... the genetics become blended
between some species... and identification becomes EVEN harder...

Good Luck though...

RedForeman


Posted by Jim Morcombe on December 30, 2006, 12:09 am
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RedForeman wrote:
>
>>I have been selling a few of my "Electric Blues" to a LFS for very
>>little money. I tried another today and he looked at my fish and said
>>they weren't electric blues. He noticed there were "dots" on the side
>>of some and said they must be a hybrid with a peacock. He then showed
>>me his Electric Blue and showed me a reference book with a picture of a
>>Sciaenochromis fryeri.
>>
>>Researching the net, mine are definitely Scianochromis ahli - both the
>>male and the female match pictures on the web exactly. However, how do
>>I explain the "spots" on some of the juveniles.
>
>
> Simple, he's probably just un-educated to the breed. but first, I have
> 1 question... are there ANY other breeders in that tank? if so, he
> 'might' be right... if you ONLY have that type of fish, then it's
> purely genetics. Secondarily, the guy at the LFS could have been a
> dunce and just not known, or only knew of some... anything is possible
> there....
>
>
>>Does anyone have any knowledge of Sciaenochromis Ahlis?
>
>
> www.cichlidforum.com
> www.cichlids.com
> www.malawicichlids.com
>
> are all good sites for reference.... although, when fish are bought and
> bred, and sold, and bought, and etc... the genetics become blended
> between some species... and identification becomes EVEN harder...
>
> Good Luck though...
>
> RedForeman
>
The only other breeders are bristlenose catfishes - If I do manage to
come up with a hybrid bristlenose/electric blue I think I will make a
fortune. Anyone interseted in buying an Electric Bristlenose?


Posted by Steve Wolstenholme on December 29, 2006, 7:29 pm
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 On Thu, 21 Dec 2006 17:06:39 +0800, Jim Morcombe

>I have been selling a few of my "Electric Blues" to a LFS for very
>little money. I tried another today and he looked at my fish and said
>they weren't electric blues. He noticed there were "dots" on the side
>of some and said they must be a hybrid with a peacock. He then showed
>me his Electric Blue and showed me a reference book with a picture of a
>Sciaenochromis fryeri.
>
>Researching the net, mine are definitely Scianochromis ahli - both the
>male and the female match pictures on the web exactly. However, how do
>I explain the "spots" on some of the juveniles.
>
>Does anyone have any knowledge of Sciaenochromis Ahlis?

S. ahli and S. fryeri are the same fish. Ahli was the original name.

I bred hundreds from wild stock about 30 years ago supplying shops. I
don't remember black dots on them. They get a bit less colourful when
breeding from tank bred stock and may show marks but I never noticed.
They are quite distinct from peacocks - much slimmer for starters.

Steve


Posted by swarvegorilla on December 30, 2006, 2:19 am
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> On Thu, 21 Dec 2006 17:06:39 +0800, Jim Morcombe
>
>>I have been selling a few of my "Electric Blues" to a LFS for very
>>little money. I tried another today and he looked at my fish and said
>>they weren't electric blues. He noticed there were "dots" on the side
>>of some and said they must be a hybrid with a peacock. He then showed
>>me his Electric Blue and showed me a reference book with a picture of a
>>Sciaenochromis fryeri.
>>
>>Researching the net, mine are definitely Scianochromis ahli - both the
>>male and the female match pictures on the web exactly. However, how do
>>I explain the "spots" on some of the juveniles.
>>
>>Does anyone have any knowledge of Sciaenochromis Ahlis?
>
> S. ahli and S. fryeri are the same fish. Ahli was the original name.
>
> I bred hundreds from wild stock about 30 years ago supplying shops. I
> don't remember black dots on them. They get a bit less colourful when
> breeding from tank bred stock and may show marks but I never noticed.
> They are quite distinct from peacocks - much slimmer for starters.
>
> Steve
>

I have only been breeding lecky blues for about 9 years
but I have bred quantity of them and white knight melanistic variants
In my experience black marks are quite common and have never remained into
adult hood on my fish
I am however in Australia here so frok knows how good our stock is.
I was told they were icebergs when I got the starters of the colony
Have mixed maybe 6 or 7 other blood lines into them
fry have the occassional mark
ah well
Would be spewing to learn it was a fault in me bloodline but I have pumped
out thousands of them and never been pulled up
Only complimented W000000t:)
An easy way to tell lecky blues from blue coloured peacocks is to look for
the cones. Only peacocks have the cones (where 'auloncara' (sp?) comes from)
that they use to find prey
lecky blues have no cones
Oh how I would like to get some wild stock
that would be very nice
:)
Swarvegorilla



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