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Posted by NetMax on September 26, 2005, 8:22 am
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> matt wrote:
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>>>>Hey, i've had 2 yellow labs be "murdered" in my tank too. I originally
>>>>came to this NG to find out what happened to the first, but found out it
>>>>was one of my demasoni's picking on him. I bought a larger one to
>>>>repalce him, but the second one died, leaving just hte larger one. So
>>>>far he's been ok. He's about a 1/2" larger than the others. All the
>>>>labs were larger than the demasonis. THis week he killed yet another
>>>>fish. I'm not sure what to do about this agressive fish. In any case,
>>>>the yellow labs are on the less agressive side, and having a larger one
>>>>seems to help.
>>>
>>>I remember that posting. Weren't you thinking of swopping out the
>>>Demasonis?
>>>
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>> I swapped out the aggressive demasoni and my tank is much happier. In
>> fact, i'm not even sure which is the dominate. the two demasonis have
>> the same color. In any case, no one is picking on anyone.
>>
>> -matt
> Glad to hear you problem got sorted :-)
>
> My two seem to have drawn up an imaginary line across the tank which only
> gets crossed for feeding time or chasing of one of the others. In fact we
> have observed one of them herding all the other fish into the other one's
> half of the tank. The ragged female is making a good recovery and starting
> to grow her tail back...
>
> Gill
lol, that's the thing I love about mbuna tanks, it's an ongoing soap opera
:o) We had a 100g mbuna tank at the store (display only, mostly), and
everytime a fish was added or removed, it would take them about 3 days to
re-establish their pecking order and real-estate ownership, and those 3 days
were very 'interesting' ;~).
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Posted by NetMax on September 13, 2005, 8:03 am
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>I came down this morning to find a dead Yellow Lab. I instantly thought it
>was the tattered beaten up one that I've been trying to catch and isolate
>for the past few days....but no...she is still swimming around and keeping
>out of trouble. It was a perfectly healthy (until this morning) Lab. It was
>pretty badly chewed up.
>
> I have two suspects that are beating on one another so much that they now
> both have sores on their mouths...and one of them bit me the other night.
> Allegedly, they are Maylandia Lombardoi but from what I can see I'm now
> suspecting they are "mutts" - I have 4 of them - 2 are slightly
> bluish/white, one is very yellow and the other is a browny yellow. It is
> the yellow and the browny yellow that are fighting - they are now 4-5 inch
> plus and very fat. From the fry in the tank I'm a little confused about
> their origin - deep blue with black vertical stripes - doesn't match
> anything else I've got so I'm guessing they are from these fish.
>
> Should I oik both of these fish out of the tank and trade them in as they
> will certainly kill one another if not other tank companions? Should I
> leave the status quo as if I get rid of these two Mbuna's by their nature
> will then fight again and another dominant fish will emerge? Should I pick
> one and keep it and get rid of the other one? "Innocent" fish are getting
> caught up in their war...
Mbuna tanks sometimes need to be reset, in regards to the choice of
occupants and to thin out the herd. I'd turn down the water temperature for
a while (until you have time to do the reset). About 74F cools their
tempers down. The reset involves removing all the rocks & fish and
re-arranging them before re-introducing the fish (with a few ommisions which
get given away or sold).
Sometimes, I've hit a combination of mbuna and/or other africans which
peacefully added several generations. These ran several years without
intervention, but typical mbuna tanks require tweaking much more often.
ps: Don't neccesarily focus on the alpha male (troublemaker) as a new alpha
male will quickly take his place and might be worse. Use your discretion.
In regards to the odd fish being found dead, this happens. We joke that
they got 'voted' out. It seems like there's a temporary truce called
amongst the usual combatants, and they cooperate to 'remove' the one voted
out, before going back to their usual chinanigans. Really well balanced
mbuna tanks *almost* don't have this.
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www.NetMax.tk
>
> Gill
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Posted by Gill Passman on September 13, 2005, 1:45 pm
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NetMax wrote:
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>>I came down this morning to find a dead Yellow Lab. I instantly thought it
>>was the tattered beaten up one that I've been trying to catch and isolate
>>for the past few days....but no...she is still swimming around and keeping
>>out of trouble. It was a perfectly healthy (until this morning) Lab. It was
>>pretty badly chewed up.
>>
>>I have two suspects that are beating on one another so much that they now
>>both have sores on their mouths...and one of them bit me the other night.
>>Allegedly, they are Maylandia Lombardoi but from what I can see I'm now
>>suspecting they are "mutts" - I have 4 of them - 2 are slightly
>>bluish/white, one is very yellow and the other is a browny yellow. It is
>>the yellow and the browny yellow that are fighting - they are now 4-5 inch
>>plus and very fat. From the fry in the tank I'm a little confused about
>>their origin - deep blue with black vertical stripes - doesn't match
>>anything else I've got so I'm guessing they are from these fish.
>>
>>Should I oik both of these fish out of the tank and trade them in as they
>>will certainly kill one another if not other tank companions? Should I
>>leave the status quo as if I get rid of these two Mbuna's by their nature
>>will then fight again and another dominant fish will emerge? Should I pick
>>one and keep it and get rid of the other one? "Innocent" fish are getting
>>caught up in their war...
>
>
>
> Mbuna tanks sometimes need to be reset, in regards to the choice of
> occupants and to thin out the herd. I'd turn down the water temperature for
> a while (until you have time to do the reset). About 74F cools their
> tempers down. The reset involves removing all the rocks & fish and
> re-arranging them before re-introducing the fish (with a few ommisions which
> get given away or sold).
>
> Sometimes, I've hit a combination of mbuna and/or other africans which
> peacefully added several generations. These ran several years without
> intervention, but typical mbuna tanks require tweaking much more often.
>
> ps: Don't neccesarily focus on the alpha male (troublemaker) as a new alpha
> male will quickly take his place and might be worse. Use your discretion.
> In regards to the odd fish being found dead, this happens. We joke that
> they got 'voted' out. It seems like there's a temporary truce called
> amongst the usual combatants, and they cooperate to 'remove' the one voted
> out, before going back to their usual chinanigans. Really well balanced
> mbuna tanks *almost* don't have this.
Thanks for the update. One of the problems is that the two fish in
question are fighting over who is the alpha male and going for anyone
who gets in the way. At the moment it's a bit like "guns at dawn". They
have occuppied one half of the tank each and spend most of their time
posturing and flaring. Occassionally one will encroach on the other ones
half of the tank which results in them locking jaws - both now have
injured mouths. The problem first emerged a few weeks ago when the
non-alpha male mated with one of the females....it has just gone
downhill from there.
The only end I can see to this is that one of them will emerge dominant
either killing or severely injuring the other one. I will try the
breaking down the tank option and see how this pans out - it's better
than doing nothing....one of the fish will have to go back I think...
Thanks again
Gill
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Posted by NetMax on September 13, 2005, 2:52 pm
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> NetMax wrote:
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>>>I came down this morning to find a dead Yellow Lab. I instantly thought
>>>it was the tattered beaten up one that I've been trying to catch and
>>>isolate for the past few days....but no...she is still swimming around
>>>and keeping out of trouble. It was a perfectly healthy (until this
>>>morning) Lab. It was pretty badly chewed up.
>>>
>>>I have two suspects that are beating on one another so much that they now
>>>both have sores on their mouths...and one of them bit me the other night.
>>>Allegedly, they are Maylandia Lombardoi but from what I can see I'm now
>>>suspecting they are "mutts" - I have 4 of them - 2 are slightly
>>>bluish/white, one is very yellow and the other is a browny yellow. It is
>>>the yellow and the browny yellow that are fighting - they are now 4-5
>>>inch plus and very fat. From the fry in the tank I'm a little confused
>>>about their origin - deep blue with black vertical stripes - doesn't
>>>match anything else I've got so I'm guessing they are from these fish.
>>>
>>>Should I oik both of these fish out of the tank and trade them in as they
>>>will certainly kill one another if not other tank companions? Should I
>>>leave the status quo as if I get rid of these two Mbuna's by their nature
>>>will then fight again and another dominant fish will emerge? Should I
>>>pick one and keep it and get rid of the other one? "Innocent" fish are
>>>getting caught up in their war...
>>
>>
>>
>> Mbuna tanks sometimes need to be reset, in regards to the choice of
>> occupants and to thin out the herd. I'd turn down the water temperature
>> for a while (until you have time to do the reset). About 74F cools their
>> tempers down. The reset involves removing all the rocks & fish and
>> re-arranging them before re-introducing the fish (with a few ommisions
>> which get given away or sold).
>>
>> Sometimes, I've hit a combination of mbuna and/or other africans which
>> peacefully added several generations. These ran several years without
>> intervention, but typical mbuna tanks require tweaking much more often.
>>
>> ps: Don't neccesarily focus on the alpha male (troublemaker) as a new
>> alpha male will quickly take his place and might be worse. Use your
>> discretion. In regards to the odd fish being found dead, this happens.
>> We joke that they got 'voted' out. It seems like there's a temporary
>> truce called amongst the usual combatants, and they cooperate to 'remove'
>> the one voted out, before going back to their usual chinanigans. Really
>> well balanced mbuna tanks *almost* don't have this.
>
>
> Thanks for the update. One of the problems is that the two fish in
> question are fighting over who is the alpha male and going for anyone who
> gets in the way. At the moment it's a bit like "guns at dawn". They have
> occuppied one half of the tank each and spend most of their time posturing
> and flaring. Occassionally one will encroach on the other ones half of the
> tank which results in them locking jaws - both now have injured mouths.
> The problem first emerged a few weeks ago when the non-alpha male mated
> with one of the females....it has just gone downhill from there.
>
> The only end I can see to this is that one of them will emerge dominant
> either killing or severely injuring the other one. I will try the breaking
> down the tank option and see how this pans out - it's better than doing
> nothing....one of the fish will have to go back I think...
They are usually not so magnaminous to let the loser live unless they are
totally exhausted, so there is a good chance one or both will kill
themselves off (the winner can sometimes get killed by the tank's beta male
sensing an opportunity to jump from 3rd to 1st place, depending on your
mix). The social workings are really quite fascinating, except that in
nature, they have the option to 'bow out' and live to fight another day, and
not in an aquarium :o(.
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www.NetMax.tk
> Thanks again
> Gill
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