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Ready for Discus? Mr. Zee 08-23-2005
Posted by Elaine T on August 23, 2005, 8:31 pm
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Gill Passman wrote:

> When I first read your comments on beef heart as an unsuitable feed I
> immediately thought "Mad Cow Disease" (BST) - maybe a case of English
> paranoia :-)
>
> Gill
>
>
Heh. Gotta watch out for those raving, mad discus. Next think you
know, beef heart fed discus will have dempseys and oscars cowering in
the corner. ;-)

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Posted by bassett on August 24, 2005, 6:39 am
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When I read it, feeding dead cow to discus. I was wondering just how big
your Discus where.
bassett


> Gill Passman wrote:
>
>> When I first read your comments on beef heart as an unsuitable feed I
>> immediately thought "Mad Cow Disease" (BST) - maybe a case of English
>> paranoia :-)
>>
>> Gill
>>
>>
> Heh. Gotta watch out for those raving, mad discus. Next think you know,
> beef heart fed discus will have dempseys and oscars cowering in the
> corner. ;-)
>
> --
> Elaine T __
> http://eethomp.com/fish.html <'__><
> rec.aquaria.* FAQ http://faq.thekrib.com



Posted by Elaine T on August 25, 2005, 1:57 am
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bassett wrote:
> When I read it, feeding dead cow to discus. I was wondering just how big
> your Discus where.
>
bassett
*grin* Good one! I always have visions of a cow falling into the water
and pirhanas eating it when I think of how someone came up with the idea
of feeding beef heart to fish. It has always seemed like an odd fish
food to me.

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Posted by NetMax on August 25, 2005, 8:24 am
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> Hello: I entered the hobby about 6 months ago after a 15 year break.
> Have a 55 gallon tank. Canister filter and Biowheel on the back. 6.7
> pH, 3-4 KH, 0 Ammonia ant Nitrite, less then 20ppm Nitrate. 3 to 4 x
> weekly water changes fm tap (The tap water is nice and soft.) Live
> plants, temp 82F. I have 4 cardinals 1 pair of Blue rams 10 'black'
> neon's, 3 cordy cats and one small pelco. Lost a cardinal or two but
> that's it. (The rams spawned twice but I think they ate the eggs!) I'm
> dying to try my hand at discus. I really don't want to overstock the tank
> but as I understand it I should get about 5 or so that they won't bully
> each other.

Your tank sounds excellent for Discus. Five would be an optimal number, but
you might have good luck with 4 instead. Alternately, go with 5 and if they
all do well, you might not mind upgrading their tank eventually.

> I'm sure this would be fine when their small but won't they outgrow the
> tank? Also, I heard they need a 'bare bottom'. I don't have that.

Generally, bare bottom tanks are used in situations where you want to keep
the tank very clean, such as quarantine tanks (no Ich cysts hiding in the
gravel) and in grow-out tanks (no rotting organic matter to add to your NO3
and DOCs, and for visibility to maintain better control over the fry's
progress).

Because of the investment and some breeding peculiarities, Discus breeders
use a few extra tricks, and to a greater extreme. In an effort to keep the
water very clean (zero hormones, DOCs and NO3) they sometimes use massive
water change routines, so bare-bottom tanks help them achieve this. Do not
confuse specialty techniques with requirements. Discus have the same
requirements as Angelfish, but depending on parentage can be a bit more
particular about the water's hardness and about what they are being fed.

> I really don't want to mess with live foods. Would frozen beefheatr and
> all the great dry stuff they have now do?

Yes, for any fish you want to provide a variety of foods to meet their
protein, mineral and vitamin requirements. If you can get the Discus to eat
it, flake food is a good staple to build on. From there, freeze-dried
tubifex or the frozen products (beefheart, shrimp, mysis, bloodworms or
custom Discus preparations) are added. There are a number of live cultures
which are not hard to maintain as well. It just depends on your threshold.
My routine was to feed dried foods in the morning (freeze-dried, pellets,
flakes etc) and wet in the evenings (frozen foods or live). If you try to
spoil your Discus, they will have you trained in short order ;~), however
their culinary tastes tend to go to very rich foods (Discus delight,
bloodworms, beefheart) which lack fibre (which I think accounts for 50% of a
wild fish's diet) and other nutrients. Typically I keep about 5 or 6 foods
on hand, a few dry (flake, algae wafers and pellets) and some frozen
(shrimp, daphnia & bloodworms) and this takes care of 99.8% of the various
fish in my care.

> Any comments, suggestions and advise is welcome. I want to try my
> hand with these fish but don't want to give up the live plants. Thanks
> very much!

Because Discus don't eat plants, and they don't dig in the substrate, and
they don't pull them for visibility (they use them for cover), they are
considered plant-friendly fish. hth
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Posted by Mr. Zee on August 25, 2005, 10:39 am
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Thanks VERY much all for the tips and help. I'm about to go and buy some
this week. I guess I'll try 5 little babies. Thanks again!





>> Hello: I entered the hobby about 6 months ago after a 15 year break.
>> Have a 55 gallon tank. Canister filter and Biowheel on the back. 6.7
>> pH, 3-4 KH, 0 Ammonia ant Nitrite, less then 20ppm Nitrate. 3 to 4 x
>> weekly water changes fm tap (The tap water is nice and soft.) Live
>> plants, temp 82F. I have 4 cardinals 1 pair of Blue rams 10 'black'
>> neon's, 3 cordy cats and one small pelco. Lost a cardinal or two but
>> that's it. (The rams spawned twice but I think they ate the eggs!) I'm
>> dying to try my hand at discus. I really don't want to overstock the
>> tank but as I understand it I should get about 5 or so that they won't
>> bully each other.
>
> Your tank sounds excellent for Discus. Five would be an optimal number,
> but you might have good luck with 4 instead. Alternately, go with 5 and
> if they all do well, you might not mind upgrading their tank eventually.
>
>> I'm sure this would be fine when their small but won't they outgrow the
>> tank? Also, I heard they need a 'bare bottom'. I don't have that.
>
> Generally, bare bottom tanks are used in situations where you want to keep
> the tank very clean, such as quarantine tanks (no Ich cysts hiding in the
> gravel) and in grow-out tanks (no rotting organic matter to add to your
> NO3 and DOCs, and for visibility to maintain better control over the fry's
> progress).
>
> Because of the investment and some breeding peculiarities, Discus breeders
> use a few extra tricks, and to a greater extreme. In an effort to keep
> the water very clean (zero hormones, DOCs and NO3) they sometimes use
> massive water change routines, so bare-bottom tanks help them achieve
> this. Do not confuse specialty techniques with requirements. Discus have
> the same requirements as Angelfish, but depending on parentage can be a
> bit more particular about the water's hardness and about what they are
> being fed.
>
>> I really don't want to mess with live foods. Would frozen beefheatr and
>> all the great dry stuff they have now do?
>
> Yes, for any fish you want to provide a variety of foods to meet their
> protein, mineral and vitamin requirements. If you can get the Discus to
> eat it, flake food is a good staple to build on. From there, freeze-dried
> tubifex or the frozen products (beefheart, shrimp, mysis, bloodworms or
> custom Discus preparations) are added. There are a number of live
> cultures which are not hard to maintain as well. It just depends on your
> threshold. My routine was to feed dried foods in the morning
> (freeze-dried, pellets, flakes etc) and wet in the evenings (frozen foods
> or live). If you try to spoil your Discus, they will have you trained in
> short order ;~), however their culinary tastes tend to go to very rich
> foods (Discus delight, bloodworms, beefheart) which lack fibre (which I
> think accounts for 50% of a wild fish's diet) and other nutrients.
> Typically I keep about 5 or 6 foods on hand, a few dry (flake, algae
> wafers and pellets) and some frozen (shrimp, daphnia & bloodworms) and
> this takes care of 99.8% of the various fish in my care.
>
>> Any comments, suggestions and advise is welcome. I want to try my
>> hand with these fish but don't want to give up the live plants. Thanks
>> very much!
>
> Because Discus don't eat plants, and they don't dig in the substrate, and
> they don't pull them for visibility (they use them for cover), they are
> considered plant-friendly fish. hth
> --
> www.NetMax.tk
>



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