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Posted by atomweaver on August 8, 2007, 4:31 pm
Please log in for more thread options fleemo17@comcast.net wrote in
> Thanks for the input here, folks. I know my fish appreciates it. :)
>
>> 1) If you possibly can, swap him into a tank just a bit larger
>> (actually, as large as you can reasonably accomodate, up to say 10
>> gallons).
>
> Alas, he's a cubicle companion here at work. Even the 1 gallon tank
> is a bit of a stretch in some folks' minds. :/
>
Gotcha... understood.
>>If you just cannot increase the
>> size of his accomodations, I'd add two cardinals to his tank, and a
>> small amount live floating plants which are good in low light
>> conditions (water sprite). Increase your water changes to twice
>> weekly if you add fish to that one-gallon tank.
>
> I like the idea of him having some company. I know fighting fish are
> reportedly solitary beings, but to live your entire life alone? Would
> a pair of Cardinal tetras be better company than a female of his own
> kind?
>
An emphatic YES. To have male and female bettas, you need _at least_
three females to one male (in a ten-gallon tank), both to establish a
female hierarchy, and to prevent the male from harassing one female over-
much when spawning time comes. If you did have only one female, and she
happened to spawn with your male, the male would probably kill her if you
didn't remove her shortly after, as he would instinctually be trying to
protect his bubble nest. Also, two cardinal tetras will produce less
fish waste than a female betta (a big issue in such a little tank).
Good Luck!
DaveZ
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Posted by Tynk on August 9, 2007, 10:35 am
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On Aug 8, 2:30?pm, fleem...@comcast.net wrote:
> Thanks for the input here, folks. I know my fish appreciates it. :)
>
> > 1) If you possibly can, swap him into a tank just a bit larger (actually,
> > as large as you can reasonably accomodate, up to say 10 gallons).
>
> Alas, he's a cubicle companion here at work. Even the 1 gallon tank
> is a bit of a stretch in some folks' minds. :/
>
> >If you just cannot increase the
> > size of his accomodations, I'd add two cardinals to his tank, and a small
> > amount live floating plants which are good in low light conditions (water
> > sprite). Increase your water changes to twice weekly if you add fish to
> > that one-gallon tank.
>
> I like the idea of him having some company. I know fighting fish are
> reportedly solitary beings, but to live your entire life alone? Would
> a pair of Cardinal tetras be better company than a female of his own
> kind?
>
> 2) If you could add heat to get your temperature up to 82-83 degF,
> that'd
>
> > be ideal. I saw some small-tank heaters for ~$8 in Wal-Mart the other
> > day...
>
> That's where I got his 1 gallon tank, so I'll look for a heater for
> the lil' guy.
>
> Thanks!
>
> -Fleemo
Hi there Fleemo.
When you say that in some folks minds, a 1g is a stretch...I assume
you are meaning for a single male Betta?
If so, that's just because they are unaware that even male Bettas
benifit from having room to swim, filtered - heated water and the
right type of company.
You will quickly learn how many myths there are about Bettas out
there.
As for male Bettas being solitary, nope. They're not. Bettas, male or
female are socialable creatures that are quite misunderstood.
Many will often see their nit picking or chasing as "attacking"
another fish. Often it's just that fish showing the other his place
in the hierarchy (pecking order). Sometimes a Betta (male or female
again) will attack another fish put into it's tank. However, it's not
because the fish is vicious, it's because the tank is too small. Put
the same fish into a 10g or larger and you have an entirely different
situation.
Now you mentioned tank mates such as Cardinals or female Bettas in his
tank. Sorry, but you can't put anything else in that 1g with a male
Betta.
You run the risk of him getting very territorial and attacking
(because the tank is too small for other tank mates), and plus it's
simply too small to house more than one fish of that size.
You also have no filtration. You said you have an airstone running,
but that's not enough.
By the way, you don't really need the airstone running for a Betta.
They can breathe surface air (as well as the usual of getting O2 out
of the water using their gills), they have a labyrinth organ with
allows them to breathe surface air, just like your lungs.
Actually, did you know that a Betta can drown if they are unable to
get air from the surface. Pretty crazy that a fish can drown, but they
must be able to get surface air.
In a well filtered tank that has a good amount of O2 in the water
(unlike an unfiltered tank wich becomes quickly depleated of O2), they
still go up for air, just not as often.
If you are going to keep him in his 1g tank at your work, may I
suggest doing a 100% water change instead of 1/2 weekly. Being that
it's only a 1g and is not filtered, you should really being chainging
100% weekly. Stir up the debris in the gravel with a bit of tank
water, then dump. Refill with treated water of proper temp.
If you stir up the gravel with tank water and not tap water, you won't
be killing off the nitrifying bacteria all over it.
Obviously, the Betta will need to be put into a cup or holding
container while you're cleaning his tank.
After supplying more information (thanks), his lethargy still sounds
like old age symptoms.
However, it is possible that the tank is going through what we call
"old tank syndrome", meaning you may have a build up of nitrates. When
proper cleanings aren't performed (you just may not have known..) the
usually non toxic nitrates build to toxic levels. This is corrected by
water changes and gravel vacuuming (in your small tank's case a good
stirring).
Since you don't have test kits, just do the water changes and clean
the gravel once a week.
His temp of 78*f is the lowest a Betta should be kept at, so that's
ok. Of course warmer is better (80*f), but your fine at 78*f.
Other than a better water change schedule, and the very good
possibility of your boy being an old guy, I don't see any other red
flags.
So after a good tank cleaning, if he's still lethargic, I'll bet he's
just an old man.
In this case, may I suggest either a live or silk plant that has
leaves near the surface. Older Bettas will often lay on the leaves
near the surface so they can get a gulp or air without using too much
effort. When you're an old, it's appreciated. lol
Even the younger Betta will use a plant leaf for a hammock at naptime.
Let us know how he's doing.
= )
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Posted by Tynk on August 7, 2007, 6:14 pm
Please log in for more thread options On Aug 6, 2:19?pm, fleem...@comcast.net wrote:
> I've kept a Siamese Fighting Fish in my cubicle at work for the past
> year and a half with good success. But lately he seems to be more
> lethargic, just sitting still at the bottom of his tank. I'll place a
> mirror next to the tank a few times a week to give him some "company,"
> and he puffs up for a while. But most of the time, he just hangs at
> the bottom of his tank. He looks otherwise in a healthy state, (his
> fins look good, no visible signs of illness) just kind of depressed.
> Is this lethargy a sign of ill health? If it is just him being down,
> what can I do to perk him up?
>
> -Fleemo
Hi there Fleemo.
You said you've had this Betta for a year and a half already.
Was he full grown when you got him?
Many male Bettas are over a year old when you see them in the shops.
They have general lifespan of 2-4 years, although many may live
several years more.
A common symptom of old age is lethargy.
However, without more information on his specific tank conditions etc.
(like Atomweaver has already asked) it's hard to say why he's acting
this way.
So get back soon with the rest of his information.
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