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Posted by Tynk on January 10, 2008, 9:33 am
Please log in for more thread options > Tynk said the following on 1/4/2008 10:19 AM:
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> > There are many different opnions between hobbyists, that's obvious.
>
> That is true with just about any hobby, not limited to aquariums.
>
> > However, when new information comes out it's always better to stay
> > current and learn about it.
>
> Whether you think it is good or bad. But, if it isn't broke, don't fix it.=
>
> > Sadly, some hobbyists are afraid of these changes and make a lot of
> > noise trashing them, but aren't adding any facts to back up what they
> > claim.
>
> Using websites to back up claims isn't something I look up to. My
> background/work is computer related and 99% of what you can find on the
> web about it is complete, utter, useless junk.
>
> > Here's just a few links explaining that *nitrospira bacteria*
> > containing products are the ones that work, and how it's not
> > nitrobacter bacteria that's first to show up, like once thought.
>
> >http://ezinearticles.com/?A-Short-Introduction-to-the-Cycling-Process ...
>
> That one is written by a person who works for a retailer trying to sell
> the product. Of course they are going to want you to try it.
>
> >http://www.marineland.com/products/mllabs/misc/PPN_4pgReprint.pdf
>
> I don't do PDF files so I can't comment on that one.
>
> I stopped trying to view the links after that.
>
> >http://www.marineland.com/science/biospira/biospira_timeline.asp
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> >http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/pfk/pages/item.php?news=3D953
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> >http://arjournals.annualreviews.org/doi/abs/10.1146/annurev.micro.55 ....
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> >http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aquarium/cycling.php
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> >http://members.aol.com/nwwise01/Nitrospira.html
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> I don't trust 99% of what is found on AOL members personal space. I
> spent 10 years teaching people how to make webpages on AOL so I have a
> slanted/skewed view of them (even my own pages on AOL).
>
> > Instead of just posting personal opinions (made out of ignorance)
> > against certain products, add some proof to back up what you claim.
> > If you can't, don't bother replying.
>
> Your first mistake would be to blanket assume a statement is made out of
> ignorance.
>
> But, let me ask you something. You don't want anybody to post personal
> opinions unless they can "add some proof". Fine. Let me give you an
> example then.
>
> My wife, when I met her, had two fish. A goldfish and a plecostomus in a
> 30 gallon tank. Both fish were 8 years old. The only chemicals that she
> had *ever* put in that tank is what came with it when she bought it.
> When the additives ran out, she stopped using them. The water in that
> tank was pure tap water. When the tank got low, due to evaporation, she
> would simply top it off with tap water - untreated. The only equipment
> on the tank was the HOB filter that came with the tank (in a kit), the
> lights, and an air pump. When she moved the tank to my house, she put
> the two fish in a two gallon trash can full of tank water. Took
> everything else to my house, set it up, pulled a water hose in from the
> front yard, filled the tank up, put her two fish back in it and plugged
> the filter and air pump back up. No additives what so ever. Those two
> fish lived another 2 years. What finally killed them was she put them in
> my non-cholorinated swordtail tank and both were dead in two days.
>
> Another example? Water changes. The 55 gallon tank that I am trying,
> futilely, to grow plants in, was set up for 2 years and not once did I
> *ever* do a water change. The only thing I ever did was dechlorinate my
> tap water and fill it back up from evaporation.
>
> Another example? Stocking levels. I had a 10 gallon tank that had more
> fish in it than a 30 gallon should have in it. The LFS where I was
> shopping at the time believed I had a 55 gallon tank and drove 40 miles
> to actually see it because he didn't believe that many fish could live
> in a 10 gallon tank.
>
> Now, nowhere on the web will you find anybody that will tell you that it
> will work. I wouldn't even recommend any of that to a new person to the
> hobby. But, I know it can be done because I have seen and done it myself.
>
> To simply tell people "Don't post your opinions if you can't provide a
> website source to back it up" is plain wrong.
>
> > Instead, take the time to research this information and learn from it.
>
> I read about half of them, none of them really taught me anything other
> than a way to try to short circuit something that I have done for 20
> years without knowing what they were trying to tell me.
>
> --
> Randy
> Chance Favors The Prepared Mind
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