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Re: Near disaster this morning.........I think. swarvegorilla 04-15-2006
Posted by swarvegorilla on April 15, 2006, 10:44 pm
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> All the good bacteria you want lives in the old filter material if you
> just put in new filter material your tank will probably cycle.
>

Cycle = spikes of bad chems (ammonia and nitrite) = death of fish
Bacteria are the type of filtration that transforms lethal chemicals into
less toxic ones (nitrate)
The other form of filtration is 'removal' where waste is removed from the
tank. Protien skimmers, vege filters, cleaning mechanical sponges, gravel
vac'ing are all methods of removal of waste.
Your other concern of course is water movement and Oxygen levels. With a
nice disturbed water surface much more Oxygen enters the water and higher
Oxygen levels mean higher levels of bacteria activity.
Blackouts will kill bacteria in cannister filters thru Oxygen deprivation.
Big sudden PH changes will wipe out even trickle filters. Washing sponges in
chlorinated tap water will also erase the good guys.
There is a lot to be said for keeping a good population of bacteria going.
Sure you can buy super bacteria in a bottle but these are surprisingly
rarely as effective as the local species that colonise our tanks.
Just takes time.
Is a handy thing to understand, the nitrate cycle.
When it goes wrong 2 qucik tips.

Fish at surface, gasping..... low Oxygen or there is an ammonia spike in
the tank. It is irritating the fishes gills=mucus coating=gills stuck
together unable to remove Oxygen from water effectively.
Fish on bottem, gasping..... low temperature or there is a nitrite spike in
the tank. The nitrite saturates the fishes body, very nasty. Fish often have
very nice colours tho... :-(

In both cases a water change will help your fish short term, however it will
slow down the filter. The filter bacteria like all that ammonia/nitrite
stuff.
In a bad case spike I am often more inclined to remove the fish to a stable
tank, or even a bucket and move them back when I detect 0 ammonia and 0
nitrite.
Extreme maybe but some of me fishys are expensive. They don't stay in tanks
with ammonia or nitrite. Kinda a rule that has worked so far.
Anyway thats my take, netmax has some good reading on his site about the
whole nitrate cycle thing too. Worded a bit better too prob!
:-)



Posted by Daniel Morrow on April 15, 2006, 11:35 pm
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Bottom posted.
>
> > All the good bacteria you want lives in the old filter material if you
> > just put in new filter material your tank will probably cycle.
> >
>
> Cycle = spikes of bad chems (ammonia and nitrite) = death of fish
> Bacteria are the type of filtration that transforms lethal chemicals into
> less toxic ones (nitrate)
> The other form of filtration is 'removal' where waste is removed from the
> tank. Protien skimmers, vege filters, cleaning mechanical sponges, gravel
> vac'ing are all methods of removal of waste.
> Your other concern of course is water movement and Oxygen levels. With a
> nice disturbed water surface much more Oxygen enters the water and higher
> Oxygen levels mean higher levels of bacteria activity.
> Blackouts will kill bacteria in cannister filters thru Oxygen deprivation.
> Big sudden PH changes will wipe out even trickle filters. Washing sponges
in
> chlorinated tap water will also erase the good guys.
> There is a lot to be said for keeping a good population of bacteria going.
> Sure you can buy super bacteria in a bottle but these are surprisingly
> rarely as effective as the local species that colonise our tanks.
> Just takes time.
> Is a handy thing to understand, the nitrate cycle.
> When it goes wrong 2 qucik tips.
>
> Fish at surface, gasping..... low Oxygen or there is an ammonia spike in
> the tank. It is irritating the fishes gills=mucus coating=gills stuck
> together unable to remove Oxygen from water effectively.
> Fish on bottem, gasping..... low temperature or there is a nitrite spike
in
> the tank. The nitrite saturates the fishes body, very nasty. Fish often
have
> very nice colours tho... :-(
>
> In both cases a water change will help your fish short term, however it
will
> slow down the filter. The filter bacteria like all that ammonia/nitrite
> stuff.
> In a bad case spike I am often more inclined to remove the fish to a
stable
> tank, or even a bucket and move them back when I detect 0 ammonia and 0
> nitrite.
> Extreme maybe but some of me fishys are expensive. They don't stay in
tanks
> with ammonia or nitrite. Kinda a rule that has worked so far.
> Anyway thats my take, netmax has some good reading on his site about the
> whole nitrate cycle thing too. Worded a bit better too prob!
> :-)
>
>

I made one mistake you all should learn from me about a month ago. I forgot
to bring the tank filling water to the fish's existing water temperature
(thus it was cold water I refilled my fancy guppy/turtles' tank with) (and
turtles') and soon after I added the cold water the entire population of my
fancy guppies in my turtle tank (sort of expendable though) totally shut
down. A few minutes later they all looked fine after seemingly at the time
coming back to life. I know of no damage or lost fish from this experience
but everyone should take heed to what I experienced and frankly imported
water temperature is extremely important to have the same as what water
(temperature) is left. Good luck and later!



Posted by Nikki on April 16, 2006, 10:13 am
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> Gees I love guppies, they are so tough! I remember once many years
> ago, I forgot to put dechlorinator in my replacement water when I was
> cleaning out the tank - I realised after about 5 minutes, when I saw
> the neons going belly up - I lost 4 out of my 5 neons - but the
> guppies, they were swimming around merrily as they usually did! It was
> almost like they were saying "bring it on!" They were fancy guppies
> too.
>
> The guppies we used to catch from the local creek used to breed in our
> chlorinated tap water, that was 15 years ago though, tap water has
> probably got more chemicals in it since then...
>

You know to be honest i kept my fancy guppies for months before i started
using the dechlorinator in the water, they were fine, i even kept fry in the
same water, not saying any one should but i did, my pacu went a lot of time
with out it like 5-8 years before i knew to use it, and he lived a very
long life.
i use it now because i should but i did not see no difference between using
it an not using it in my fishes health.
me and my husband were trying to figure out how long our pacu lived......
and we know he was big at least a foot before i had my first son 13 years
ago, pacu died last year, and i never once put meds, or anything else other
then food in his tank, we kept the water very clean because of the stuff he
liked to eat, but that was it. Maybe we have good water here in pittsburgh,
who knows...I would not drink the stuff
Nik



Posted by Dale Henderson on April 16, 2006, 11:45 am
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Beano> The guppies we used to catch from the local creek used to breed
Beano> in our chlorinated tap water, that was 15 years ago though, tap
Beano> water has probably got more chemicals in it since then...

The guppies you caught where probably Mosquitofish. They're
practically indestructable.

Posted by swarvegorilla on April 23, 2006, 4:34 am
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> On Thu, 20 Apr 2006 19:58:36 +1000, "swarvegorilla"
>
>>>>
>>> Explain please: The tea.
>>>
>>> -- Mister Gardener
>>
>>Well when asian fish farms finally got the neons spawning big time their
>>secret leaked out.
>>Mullberry tea.
>>We have very hard water so I use the tanic acid in tea to soften it a bit.
>>Tea bags are very cheap and it didn't really seem much of a jump from the
>>Indian Almond tea bags I use on the bettas some times.
>>Anyway 3 deaths outta 200 for the tea tank compared to 6 outta the non-tea
>>tank.
>>2 weeks now and prob only 50 left unsold in each tank.
>>so yea not lethal but not magic either.
>>shrug
>>
> Any idea how these specific tea bags compare to ordinary peat?
> The teabag thing interests me - I can see me lining up the different
> teas, the green tea is for this tank, the black tea for those guys,
> the Constant Comment for . . . no way, I wouldn't give that stuff to
> my worst enemy, certainly not my fish.
>
> -- Mister Gardener

try and work out whats in black water extract then?
You can always add lead solution to a test cup and see how much white stuff
solidifys out of it.... will give you a chance to test tannins anyway.
Kinda fucky magic eperiment.
clear liquid to clear liquid and boom lots white gooey stuff
sorry no time to explain properly!



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