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Posted by Squeek on March 11, 2005, 1:17 am
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Could this guy (original poster) be screwing us around....
it sure seems that way
"Bob Wennerstrom" <nospam> wrote in message
> I've got a 15 gallon tank with about eight platys and a pl*co in it, no
> plants. I used to lose a fish every 6-8 weeks. This seemed to happen right
> after water changes even though I was using that chlorine remover stuff
> and only changing about 2 gallons/week. So I did an experiment beginning
> last March. I stopped changing the water. In the last year I have had zero
> fishes die. I'm using a Marineland Emperor, wash the filter every couple
> weeks and change the filter/carbon thing about every 3 months. No UGF.
>
> So do you think I've got wicked nitrates buit up in the tank and the fish
> are just used to it? I keep reading about how important water quality is
> and how important water changes are yet I get good results for a whole
> year never-ever changing the water, just adding to make up for
> evaporation. Carbon doesn't remove nitrates does it?
>
> Comments?
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Posted by Elaine T on March 11, 2005, 2:05 am
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Squeek wrote:
> Could this guy (original poster) be screwing us around....
> it sure seems that way
> "Bob Wennerstrom" <nospam> wrote in message
>
>>I've got a 15 gallon tank with about eight platys and a pl*co in it, no
>>plants. I used to lose a fish every 6-8 weeks. This seemed to happen right
>>after water changes even though I was using that chlorine remover stuff
>>and only changing about 2 gallons/week. So I did an experiment beginning
>>last March. I stopped changing the water. In the last year I have had zero
>>fishes die. I'm using a Marineland Emperor, wash the filter every couple
>>weeks and change the filter/carbon thing about every 3 months. No UGF.
>>
>>So do you think I've got wicked nitrates buit up in the tank and the fish
>>are just used to it? I keep reading about how important water quality is
>>and how important water changes are yet I get good results for a whole
>>year never-ever changing the water, just adding to make up for
>>evaporation. Carbon doesn't remove nitrates does it?
>>
>>Comments?
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I hate top-posting.
No, but many who have responded to this thread has been screwing around.
It's really interesting how people have jumped to conclusions about
the water quality and gone on to criticize Bob in the complete vacuum of
meaningful data.
The ONLY data we have is that fish were dying and now they're living. I
can think of a lot of ways the water quality would be just fine, but I
don't want to speculate.
I would still very much like to see some water tests on this tank.
Wanna snail mail someone with good test kits a water sample of your tank
and tap, Bob? I'd offer but I only have nitrate and not phosphate or
conductivity, which I'd want to see.
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Posted by Geezer From The Freezer on March 11, 2005, 5:02 am
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Elaine T wrote:
> No, but many who have responded to this thread has been screwing around.
> It's really interesting how people have jumped to conclusions about
> the water quality and gone on to criticize Bob in the complete vacuum of
> meaningful data.
>
> The ONLY data we have is that fish were dying and now they're living. I
> can think of a lot of ways the water quality would be just fine, but I
> don't want to speculate.
>
> I would still very much like to see some water tests on this tank.
> Wanna snail mail someone with good test kits a water sample of your tank
> and tap, Bob? I'd offer but I only have nitrate and not phosphate or
> conductivity, which I'd want to see.
>
Thing is was bobs tank going through a cycle when his fish were initially dying.
Also he notes that his fish are no longer dying, but are they happy,
they may be being tortured, but cannot scream to let him know!
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Posted by Bob Wennerstrom on March 11, 2005, 9:20 am
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Geezer From The Freezer wrote:
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> Elaine T wrote:
>
>
>>No, but many who have responded to this thread has been screwing around.
>> It's really interesting how people have jumped to conclusions about
>>the water quality and gone on to criticize Bob in the complete vacuum of
>>meaningful data.
>
> Thing is was bobs tank going through a cycle when his fish were initially
dying.
> Also he notes that his fish are no longer dying, but are they happy,
> they may be being tortured, but cannot scream to let him know!
No. The tank was over a year old when I stopped changing water. Your
tortured argument makes no sense. If I do something to the water that
routinely kills the fish, that is humane and they are not being
tortured. If I let natural processes take over and the fish stop dying
and are active and are eating, that's torture?
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Posted by Richard Sexton on March 11, 2005, 10:43 am
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>Geezer From The Freezer wrote:
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>>
>> Elaine T wrote:
>>
>>
>>>No, but many who have responded to this thread has been screwing around.
>>> It's really interesting how people have jumped to conclusions about
>>>the water quality and gone on to criticize Bob in the complete vacuum of
>>>meaningful data.
>
>>
>> Thing is was bobs tank going through a cycle when his fish were initially
dying.
>> Also he notes that his fish are no longer dying, but are they happy,
>> they may be being tortured, but cannot scream to let him know!
>
>No. The tank was over a year old when I stopped changing water. Your
>tortured argument makes no sense. If I do something to the water that
>routinely kills the fish, that is humane and they are not being
>tortured. If I let natural processes take over and the fish stop dying
>and are active and are eating, that's torture?
Dollars to donuts the ammonia is high and the pH is low. In
this sate the fish will not be affected by ammonia. When you
add new water the pH drops andthe ammonia is now lethal and
fishdie. Google "old tank syndrome".
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> plants. I used to lose a fish every 6-8 weeks. This seemed to happen right
> after water changes even though I was using that chlorine remover stuff
> and only changing about 2 gallons/week. So I did an experiment beginning
> last March. I stopped changing the water. In the last year I have had zero
> fishes die. I'm using a Marineland Emperor, wash the filter every couple
> weeks and change the filter/carbon thing about every 3 months. No UGF.
>
> So do you think I've got wicked nitrates buit up in the tank and the fish
> are just used to it? I keep reading about how important water quality is
> and how important water changes are yet I get good results for a whole
> year never-ever changing the water, just adding to make up for
> evaporation. Carbon doesn't remove nitrates does it?
>
> Comments?