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Posted by swarvegorilla on April 15, 2006, 10:55 pm
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Lotsa filthy diseases for ya
:-)
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Posted by Mister Gardener on April 16, 2006, 8:35 am
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On Sun, 16 Apr 2006 12:55:16 +1000, "swarvegorilla"
>www.koivet.com
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>Lotsa filthy diseases for ya
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I believe you were referring to the Medications index on that page,
I've added the direct link to the Melafix article.
http://www.koivet.com/html/articles/articles_details.php?article_id=104&category=13&name=Medications
The study cited used Melafix only, and determined Melafix has zero
bacteriocidal action. Too bad they didn't follow this study with
another using Melafix and Pimafix together, as the manufacturer's blah
blah seems to emphasize the bacteriocidal effects of Pima. As far as
the other properties, the study cites some pretty impressive outcomes
with Melafix alone, including a suggestion to use it for recently
handled store bought fish. I am not ready to routinely Melafix my new
fish, but maybe it's worth a shot in my ten gallon QT.
You've also reminded me to return to that web site soon, I've surfed
through it before and it looks like a place that is worth spending
some time, even though I am a tropical, not gold, keeper.
-- Mister Gardener
Everything Aquaria & Tropical Fish at The Krib:
http://www.thekrib.com/
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Posted by Altum on April 17, 2006, 2:26 am
Please log in for more thread options Mister Gardener wrote:
> The study cited used Melafix only, and determined Melafix has zero
> bacteriocidal action. Too bad they didn't follow this study with
> another using Melafix and Pimafix together, as the manufacturer's blah
> blah seems to emphasize the bacteriocidal effects of Pima. As far as
> the other properties, the study cites some pretty impressive outcomes
> with Melafix alone, including a suggestion to use it for recently
> handled store bought fish. I am not ready to routinely Melafix my new
> fish, but maybe it's worth a shot in my ten gallon QT.
Pity he didn't test PimaFix. Methyleugenol is a very effective
bactericide at high concentrations. The main question is whether it's
effective at the 1-2 ppm PimaFix concentration.
--
Put the word aquaria in the subject to reply.
Did you read the FAQ? http://faq.thekrib.com
Mister Gardener wrote:
> The study cited used Melafix only, and determined Melafix has zero
> bacteriocidal action. Too bad they didn't follow this study with
> another using Melafix and Pimafix together, as the manufacturer's blah
> blah seems to emphasize the bacteriocidal effects of Pima. As far as
> the other properties, the study cites some pretty impressive outcomes
> with Melafix alone, including a suggestion to use it for recently
> handled store bought fish. I am not ready to routinely Melafix my new
> fish, but maybe it's worth a shot in my ten gallon QT.
Pity he didn't test PimaFix. Methyleugenol is a very effective
bactericide at high concentrations. The main question is whether it's
effective at the 1-2 ppm PimaFix concentration.
--
Put the word aquaria in the subject to reply.
Did you read the FAQ? http://faq.thekrib.com
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Posted by Mister Gardener on April 18, 2006, 7:56 am
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On Tue, 18 Apr 2006 20:47:46 +1000, "swarvegorilla"
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>> Mister Gardener wrote:
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>>> The study cited used Melafix only, and determined Melafix has zero
>>> bacteriocidal action. Too bad they didn't follow this study with
>>> another using Melafix and Pimafix together, as the manufacturer's blah
>>> blah seems to emphasize the bacteriocidal effects of Pima. As far as
>>> the other properties, the study cites some pretty impressive outcomes
>>> with Melafix alone, including a suggestion to use it for recently
>>> handled store bought fish. I am not ready to routinely Melafix my new
>>> fish, but maybe it's worth a shot in my ten gallon QT.
>>
>> Pity he didn't test PimaFix. Methyleugenol is a very effective
>> bactericide at high concentrations. The main question is whether it's
>> effective at the 1-2 ppm PimaFix concentration.
>>
>> --
>> Put the word aquaria in the subject to reply.
>> Did you read the FAQ? http://faq.thekrib.com
>
>Doesn't hurt to make up a bottle of homebrew melapima magik brewski.
>Certainly seems to help cichlids patch back up.
>But would be careful on which fish ya use on.
>Some fish don't like melafix at all
>
This is another area where information from the manufacturer is sadly
lacking, but that's OK, we know that sometimes personal experience is
more accurate than the label on the bottle. So far, I think we've
heard from two discus people who won't use the stuff on their fish
again. I can't think of any others for the proposed black list at the
moment, but I'm certain our info sources will add to the list in time.
-- Mister Gardener
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Posted by Mister Gardener on April 20, 2006, 6:34 am
Please log in for more thread options On Thu, 20 Apr 2006 19:38:54 +1000, "swarvegorilla"
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>> On Tue, 18 Apr 2006 20:47:46 +1000, "swarvegorilla"
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>>>
>>>> Mister Gardener wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The study cited used Melafix only, and determined Melafix has zero
>>>>> bacteriocidal action. Too bad they didn't follow this study with
>>>>> another using Melafix and Pimafix together, as the manufacturer's blah
>>>>> blah seems to emphasize the bacteriocidal effects of Pima. As far as
>>>>> the other properties, the study cites some pretty impressive outcomes
>>>>> with Melafix alone, including a suggestion to use it for recently
>>>>> handled store bought fish. I am not ready to routinely Melafix my new
>>>>> fish, but maybe it's worth a shot in my ten gallon QT.
>>>>
>>>> Pity he didn't test PimaFix. Methyleugenol is a very effective
>>>> bactericide at high concentrations. The main question is whether it's
>>>> effective at the 1-2 ppm PimaFix concentration.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Put the word aquaria in the subject to reply.
>>>> Did you read the FAQ? http://faq.thekrib.com
>>>
>>>Doesn't hurt to make up a bottle of homebrew melapima magik brewski.
>>>Certainly seems to help cichlids patch back up.
>>>But would be careful on which fish ya use on.
>>>Some fish don't like melafix at all
>>>
>> This is another area where information from the manufacturer is sadly
>> lacking, but that's OK, we know that sometimes personal experience is
>> more accurate than the label on the bottle. So far, I think we've
>> heard from two discus people who won't use the stuff on their fish
>> again. I can't think of any others for the proposed black list at the
>> moment, but I'm certain our info sources will add to the list in time.
>>
>> -- Mister Gardener
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>Yea well mangrove Jacks hate the shit.... kinda handy if you need one to
>throw up (swallow rubber or plastic) but kinda scary when you almost waste
>them with it.
>Always reccomend a half strength dose first.
>Good stuff but not for everything.
>
I talked to my lfs about Pima/Mela the other day - I've mentioned here
previously that he stocks a bare minimum of hardgoods and treatments,
the basics to get a customer through the night until they can get to
the big box stores in the city. His supplier was pushing Mela on him a
couple of years ago and he tried it for several maladies and the rest
of what he said is best not printed on a family forum. 95% of what
gets his customers' fish can be fixed with salt, heat, and water
changes. (His words.) It's all about the slime coat, get that slime
going and the fish's immune system can fight off most anything. He
conceded there are a few exceptions, but Melafix was not among them.
-- Mister Gardener
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