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Some observations and questions regarding Barbs and sugar in DIY CO2 Ozdude 03-16-2005
Posted by Ozdude on March 16, 2005, 10:40 am
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Hi there,

I got my 4 Tiger Barbs this afternoon and they're in the same tank as the 5
BATs I had so much trouble with a while ago - any way there is a pecking
order being established at the moment - inter and intra-species. All the
fish are a similar size and the Tetras are too fast for the Barbs to get
them and vice versa ;)

I've noticed when the Barbs are resting after a chase, a couple of them hang
nose down for a minute. I thought I'd read something a while ago that this
was a possible sign of high Nitrite levels, and I googled around and this is
the case in some people's experience - I checked the Nitrite and it
registered 0, so it wasn't that. I presume this is their resting position?
They wer doing it in the shop too this aftrnoon - If it is just a thing they
do, it's hilarious watching them do it. I also noticed a few minutes ago
they seem to sleep nose down - how strange :)

They also vibrate near each other like some of my Tetras in the big tank do,
so I presume this is mating behaviour?

They've acclimatised very well and I'll move some of the plastic plants out
of the way tomorrow to give them more swimming space than they currently
have, as they seem to have the BATs on the go most of the time ;)

Today I also switched from using raw sugar to white sugar (as an experiment
and because 2kg of white is substantially cheaper than 2kg of raw) and I
pre-mixed up new batch of CO2 ready for the morning. I made it the usual way
with 1tsp yeast and 1 tsp of Baking Soda mixed in water before adding to the
sugar, but I've noticed with the white sugar you get a foaming head that's
much larger then the one you get (if at all) with raw sugar - even with the
baking soda in there as a buffer.

I'm starting to form the opinion that some of the problems that have been
reported with DIY CO2 and foaming pollution of tanks is because the sugar
was white. For some reason it seems more volatile than the raw stuff (less
impurities?).

I'll definitely be watching it when I bi-daily agitate the bottles during
the next cycle - the last thing I want now is the tank to be filled with
alcohol, yeast and sugar ;)

Oz

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My Aquatic web Blog is at http://members.optusnet.com.au/ivan.smith



Posted by Jim Anderson on March 16, 2005, 12:10 pm
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@hote-mail.com says...
>
> I'm starting to form the opinion that some of the problems that have been
> reported with DIY CO2 and foaming pollution of tanks is because the sugar
> was white. For some reason it seems more volatile than the raw stuff (less
> impurities?).
>
> I'll definitely be watching it when I bi-daily agitate the bottles during
> the next cycle - the last thing I want now is the tank to be filled with
> alcohol, yeast and sugar ;)
>
> Oz
>
>

Last month I got a new 38gallon (36in.x 12in. x 20in. hi) and wanted to
set-up a Planted tank. Found this site for a DIY CO2 system;
<http://www.qsl.net/w2wdx/aquaria/diyco2.html>
Look at the schematic, he has a 'gas seperator' between the yeast and
reactor to trap any foam in the lines.

I built the Powered CO2 Reactor and must say it works great. When I
pinch the CO2 hose I can watch the bubbles disapear in a half second,
completely disolved into the water.

I just use a 1 liter pop bottle plumbed directly to the reactor and have
explosive growth with no algea.

--
Jim Anderson
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Posted by Jim Anderson on March 16, 2005, 12:20 pm
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@hote-mail.com says...
> [snip]
> Today I also switched from using raw sugar to white sugar (as an experiment
> and because 2kg of white is substantially cheaper than 2kg of raw) and I
> pre-mixed up new batch of CO2 ready for the morning. I made it the usual way
> with 1tsp yeast and 1 tsp of Baking Soda mixed in water before adding to the
> sugar, but I've noticed with the white sugar you get a foaming head that's
> much larger then the one you get (if at all) with raw sugar - even with the
> baking soda in there as a buffer.
> [snip]
> Oz
>
>

the other point I wanted to make is;
There are many recipe opinions online for DIY CO2 at the site I posted
he just uses 1/4 teaspoon of yeast for 2 cups of sugar and I have no
foam problems.

I'm no expert, will watch for others advice.

--
Jim Anderson
( 8(|) To email me just pull my_finger

Posted by Gill Passman on March 16, 2005, 3:07 pm
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> Hi there,
>
> I got my 4 Tiger Barbs this afternoon and they're in the same tank as the
5
> BATs I had so much trouble with a while ago - any way there is a pecking
> order being established at the moment - inter and intra-species. All the
> fish are a similar size and the Tetras are too fast for the Barbs to get
> them and vice versa ;)
>
> I've noticed when the Barbs are resting after a chase, a couple of them
hang
> nose down for a minute. I thought I'd read something a while ago that this
> was a possible sign of high Nitrite levels, and I googled around and this
is
> the case in some people's experience - I checked the Nitrite and it
> registered 0, so it wasn't that. I presume this is their resting position?
> They wer doing it in the shop too this aftrnoon - If it is just a thing
they
> do, it's hilarious watching them do it. I also noticed a few minutes ago
> they seem to sleep nose down - how strange :)
>
> They also vibrate near each other like some of my Tetras in the big tank
do,
> so I presume this is mating behaviour?
>
> They've acclimatised very well and I'll move some of the plastic plants
out
> of the way tomorrow to give them more swimming space than they currently
> have, as they seem to have the BATs on the go most of the time ;)
>
> Today I also switched from using raw sugar to white sugar (as an
experiment
> and because 2kg of white is substantially cheaper than 2kg of raw) and I
> pre-mixed up new batch of CO2 ready for the morning. I made it the usual
way
> with 1tsp yeast and 1 tsp of Baking Soda mixed in water before adding to
the
> sugar, but I've noticed with the white sugar you get a foaming head that's
> much larger then the one you get (if at all) with raw sugar - even with
the
> baking soda in there as a buffer.
>
> I'm starting to form the opinion that some of the problems that have been
> reported with DIY CO2 and foaming pollution of tanks is because the sugar
> was white. For some reason it seems more volatile than the raw stuff (less
> impurities?).
>
> I'll definitely be watching it when I bi-daily agitate the bottles during
> the next cycle - the last thing I want now is the tank to be filled with
> alcohol, yeast and sugar ;)
>
> Oz
>
> --
> My Aquatic web Blog is at http://members.optusnet.com.au/ivan.smith
>
>
Hi Oz,

What type of Tiger Barbs did you get? I really, really would love some Green
Tiger Barbs but unfortunately have nowhere suitable to house them - the only
tank likely to come free soon is a 5gall which I think is a little too small
(although if anyone wants to contradict me I'd be happy to hear it).....and
I don't think they would mix with the Mbunas (lol) and the Community Tank
can't really cope with anymore - if it could I would go for SAE's for the
algae problem .

Gill





Posted by Ozdude on March 16, 2005, 6:08 pm
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"Gill Passman" <gillspamattaylorpassmanspam.co.uk> wrote in message
> Hi Oz,

Hi.
>
> What type of Tiger Barbs did you get?

1 X Green and 3 X regular.

They need a lot of swimming space, so I'd say a 20L tank is a minimum for
them.

And I don't think they are a good match for Mbuna - similar sized and
temperament fish are their matches.

Oz

--
My Aquatic web Blog is at http://members.optusnet.com.au/ivan.smith



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