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Posted by Jay Kaner on April 12, 2006, 8:05 pm
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I'm very new to keeping fish and I'd like to check something out that has
been said to me about the number of fish I have in my tank. The tank is 24"
x 15" x 12"
I bought the tank off a guy just short of 3 months ago. The fish that came
with it were 2 black moors, a fantail goldfish, a golden orf, a black widow
and a male fighting fish. Since then I have added...
5 zebra danio's
3 mountain minnows
1 albino red tail shark
2 guppies
2 platys
I have been told that there is way too many fish in a tank that size and it
will stress the fish out. Is this a fair comment? All the fish get along
fine. One of the guppies picks on the smaller guppy, and he hides a lot and
the danio's are always chasing each other around. Other than that it seems
a peaceful tank. They all leave each other alone and seem happy enough.
I really wanted to add a shoal of 10 neon tetras to it but now i'm not too
sure what to do.
Obviously if the tank *is* over-crowded then i'll give the neon's a miss.
Saying that, I saw an advert for a same sized tank for sale that had 47 fish
in it. Didn't say what fish they were tho'.
I'd appreciate any advice
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Posted by Koi-Lo on April 12, 2006, 8:42 pm
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> Hi group.
>
> I'm very new to keeping fish and I'd like to check something out that has
> been said to me about the number of fish I have in my tank. The tank is
> 24" x 15" x 12"
>
> I bought the tank off a guy just short of 3 months ago. The fish that
> came with it were 2 black moors, a fantail goldfish, a golden orf, a black
> widow and a male fighting fish. Since then I have added...
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The goldfish alone need 30g (about 10g per goldfish until mature, then at
least 15g each) of water as they grow large in time and are a dirty fish,
meaning they eat a lot and pass a lot of waste when well cared for.
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Koi-Lo.... the ReelMcKoi
Frugal ponding since 1995.
Aquariums since 1952.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
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Posted by MangroveJack on April 12, 2006, 8:51 pm
Please log in for more thread options Maaate... you got to consider the types of fish you have and the types
of fish you want. While it's fair to say that most fish adapt to
another's ideal conditions if the environment is kept constant, the
optimum way to keep different species is according to their most ideal
conditions.
It is really quite silly even considering adding "warm-water,
soft-acidic" fish (neon tetras, red-tail sharks etc) to "cold-water,
hard-alkaline" fish (golfish, live-bearers etc)environments.
More fish basically means more maintainance. You might get away with
doing third water change every month with just a couple of guppies, but
with a small, highly-stocked aquarium, you'd be mad not to do a third
water change every week, with alternative gravel-syphons one week and
filter-cleanse in removed aquarium water the other week.
You'd probably also need to add some sort of buffer to the water to
keep the Ph constant. I always use "marine grit" which helps keep the
alkalinity high which is how the tap-water is to begin with, and always
add a bit of salt to keep the water hardened for the live-bearers and
goldfish and prevent fungals on the fish who prefer softer, more acidic
water, who are more prone to disease.
At the end of the day, it's not really the size of the aquarium which
matters, so long as the inhabitants all get along reasonably well, or
have so many opponents they have no choice but to get along. What's
most important is the AMOUNT OF WATER they are in over what period of
time. Changing ten percent every day would be highly ideal, or even
better, a constant trickle-flow replacement like in a natural stream
would be best.... anything which keeps everything CONSTANT, not
fluctuating from extremely acidic one day, to alkaline the next, to
over-saturated with wastes and uneaten food another. Minimal feeding,
regular water-change, and you should be able to fit in an extra 10
neon-sized fish (though personally I'd go for something more suited to
your hard-alkaline dominant situation).
I've kept several hundred neon tetras very succesfully in an aquarium
that size before, along with a male betta and a few corys and
bristleys. I would never have thought to put any oxygen-hungry goldfish
in with them, though. Get another aquarium if you are serious about
keeping warm-water soft-acidic type fish.
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Posted by Nikki on April 12, 2006, 9:00 pm
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> Maaate... you got to consider the types of fish you have and the types
> of fish you want. While it's fair to say that most fish adapt to
> another's ideal conditions if the environment is kept constant, the
> optimum way to keep different species is according to their most ideal
> conditions.
>
> It is really quite silly even considering adding "warm-water,
> soft-acidic" fish (neon tetras, red-tail sharks etc) to "cold-water,
> hard-alkaline" fish (golfish, live-bearers etc)environments.
>
> More fish basically means more maintainance. You might get away with
> doing third water change every month with just a couple of guppies, but
> with a small, highly-stocked aquarium, you'd be mad not to do a third
> water change every week, with alternative gravel-syphons one week and
> filter-cleanse in removed aquarium water the other week.
>
> You'd probably also need to add some sort of buffer to the water to
> keep the Ph constant. I always use "marine grit" which helps keep the
> alkalinity high which is how the tap-water is to begin with, and always
> add a bit of salt to keep the water hardened for the live-bearers and
> goldfish and prevent fungals on the fish who prefer softer, more acidic
> water, who are more prone to disease.
>
>
> At the end of the day, it's not really the size of the aquarium which
> matters, so long as the inhabitants all get along reasonably well, or
> have so many opponents they have no choice but to get along. What's
> most important is the AMOUNT OF WATER they are in over what period of
> time. Changing ten percent every day would be highly ideal, or even
> better, a constant trickle-flow replacement like in a natural stream
> would be best.... anything which keeps everything CONSTANT, not
> fluctuating from extremely acidic one day, to alkaline the next, to
> over-saturated with wastes and uneaten food another. Minimal feeding,
> regular water-change, and you should be able to fit in an extra 10
> neon-sized fish (though personally I'd go for something more suited to
> your hard-alkaline dominant situation).
>
> I've kept several hundred neon tetras very succesfully in an aquarium
> that size before, along with a male betta and a few corys and
> bristleys. I would never have thought to put any oxygen-hungry goldfish
> in with them, though. Get another aquarium if you are serious about
> keeping warm-water soft-acidic type fish.
>
how many gallons is that?
NIk
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Posted by Daniel Morrow on April 12, 2006, 9:54 pm
Please log in for more thread options Bottom posted.
>
> > Maaate... you got to consider the types of fish you have and the types
> > of fish you want. While it's fair to say that most fish adapt to
> > another's ideal conditions if the environment is kept constant, the
> > optimum way to keep different species is according to their most ideal
> > conditions.
> >
> > It is really quite silly even considering adding "warm-water,
> > soft-acidic" fish (neon tetras, red-tail sharks etc) to "cold-water,
> > hard-alkaline" fish (golfish, live-bearers etc)environments.
> >
> > More fish basically means more maintainance. You might get away with
> > doing third water change every month with just a couple of guppies, but
> > with a small, highly-stocked aquarium, you'd be mad not to do a third
> > water change every week, with alternative gravel-syphons one week and
> > filter-cleanse in removed aquarium water the other week.
> >
> > You'd probably also need to add some sort of buffer to the water to
> > keep the Ph constant. I always use "marine grit" which helps keep the
> > alkalinity high which is how the tap-water is to begin with, and always
> > add a bit of salt to keep the water hardened for the live-bearers and
> > goldfish and prevent fungals on the fish who prefer softer, more acidic
> > water, who are more prone to disease.
> >
> >
> > At the end of the day, it's not really the size of the aquarium which
> > matters, so long as the inhabitants all get along reasonably well, or
> > have so many opponents they have no choice but to get along. What's
> > most important is the AMOUNT OF WATER they are in over what period of
> > time. Changing ten percent every day would be highly ideal, or even
> > better, a constant trickle-flow replacement like in a natural stream
> > would be best.... anything which keeps everything CONSTANT, not
> > fluctuating from extremely acidic one day, to alkaline the next, to
> > over-saturated with wastes and uneaten food another. Minimal feeding,
> > regular water-change, and you should be able to fit in an extra 10
> > neon-sized fish (though personally I'd go for something more suited to
> > your hard-alkaline dominant situation).
> >
> > I've kept several hundred neon tetras very succesfully in an aquarium
> > that size before, along with a male betta and a few corys and
> > bristleys. I would never have thought to put any oxygen-hungry goldfish
> > in with them, though. Get another aquarium if you are serious about
> > keeping warm-water soft-acidic type fish.
> >
>
> how many gallons is that?
> NIk
>
>
Approximately 18 usa gallons, I have calculated it from a formula in an old
aquarium book (height times by width times by length divided by 231).
Hopefully the original poster changes 20 percent (or more) of his aquarium
water per day if he really is keeping that many fish in such a relatively
small aquarium if he wants long term success with it. Good luck and later!
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> I'm very new to keeping fish and I'd like to check something out that has
> been said to me about the number of fish I have in my tank. The tank is
> 24" x 15" x 12"
>
> I bought the tank off a guy just short of 3 months ago. The fish that
> came with it were 2 black moors, a fantail goldfish, a golden orf, a black
> widow and a male fighting fish. Since then I have added...