>> > Dying fantail, up-side down on bottom of tank for five >> > days, and >> > breathing hard. I've changed the water twice, added 2 g >> > salt each time >> > to a twelve gallon replacement to a 20 gallon tank, and >> > added a teaspoon >> > of anti-ick medication, although there is no sign of >> > ick. There was >> > initially a sheen on the water, like oil. I've no idea >> > where it came >> > from, and that prompted me to exchange some water. >> > >> > Any ideas? >> > -- >> > "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism >> > because it is the >> > merger of state and corporate power." - Benito >> > Mussolini. >> > >> > http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100119/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_israel_arrestin...http >> > ://www.democracynow.org/2010/1/19/headlines
>> >> Wildbilly, >> >> Sorry to hear of your problem. Sorry I am a little late, >> but I have >> stayed away from this group because of the problems that >> have >> occurred. I suspect that your fish has gone to the great >> beyond, but >> in case that is happens again, there are something that >> you can do. >> >> If the fish is breathing hard it is probably a gill >> related problem. >> Skip the salt, it is useless is these cases, plus, >> because of so many >> people having been misguided about the constant use of >> salt it is >> virtually useless against anything, except in such high >> concentrations >> that you are likely to kill your patient with the higher >> salt >> concentrations needed. Make sure you water is pristine >> clean; Zero >> nitrites and zero ammonia. Make sure nitrates are low >> also and only >> water changes can take care of this situation. Add one >> or two air >> stones that produce fine bubbles in high volume. >> >> Beings the fish was breathing hard, it is probably a gill >> problem like >> I said before, so find a med that attacks gill problems >> and treat you >> fish according to the instructions. Like with people, >> stay with the >> regime until it has run its course. Do not short change >> your patient. >> >> God Bless you and yours and hoping you fish are fine >> also. >> >> Ranchu
> > Thanks for the response, Ranchu. I do appreciate it.
I apprecate it as well. Have an older white fan tail and he
is either snacking or sleeping on the bottom of his tank.
He's
pretty old for a good fish but I'd still like to keep him
around
for a bit longer.
I do have an extra 3.5 gal tank so I'm thinking that when I
clean
the water later today, that I will put him in his own little
tank.
At the least it should take some stress away for him
I'm new here but this post really caught my eye. Just the
post
I was going to write about and low and behol there it was.
Donna
in WA
Posted by Billy on December 2, 2010, 6:54 pm
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> > In article > >
> >> wrote: > >> > Dying fantail, up-side down on bottom of tank for five > >> > days, and > >> > breathing hard. I've changed the water twice, added 2 g > >> > salt each time > >> > to a twelve gallon replacement to a 20 gallon tank, and > >> > added a teaspoon > >> > of anti-ick medication, although there is no sign of > >> > ick. There was > >> > initially a sheen on the water, like oil. I've no idea > >> > where it came > >> > from, and that prompted me to exchange some water. > >> > > >> > Any ideas? > >> > -- > >> > "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism > >> > because it is the > >> > merger of state and corporate power." - Benito > >> > Mussolini. > >> > > >> > http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100119/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_israel_arrestin...h > >> > ttp > >> > ://www.democracynow.org/2010/1/19/headlines > >> > >> Wildbilly, > >> > >> Sorry to hear of your problem. Sorry I am a little late, > >> but I have > >> stayed away from this group because of the problems that > >> have > >> occurred. I suspect that your fish has gone to the great > >> beyond, but > >> in case that is happens again, there are something that > >> you can do. > >> > >> If the fish is breathing hard it is probably a gill > >> related problem. > >> Skip the salt, it is useless is these cases, plus, > >> because of so many > >> people having been misguided about the constant use of > >> salt it is > >> virtually useless against anything, except in such high > >> concentrations > >> that you are likely to kill your patient with the higher > >> salt > >> concentrations needed. Make sure you water is pristine > >> clean; Zero > >> nitrites and zero ammonia. Make sure nitrates are low > >> also and only > >> water changes can take care of this situation. Add one > >> or two air > >> stones that produce fine bubbles in high volume. > >> > >> Beings the fish was breathing hard, it is probably a gill > >> problem like > >> I said before, so find a med that attacks gill problems > >> and treat you > >> fish according to the instructions. Like with people, > >> stay with the > >> regime until it has run its course. Do not short change > >> your patient. > >> > >> God Bless you and yours and hoping you fish are fine > >> also. > >> > >> Ranchu
> > > > Thanks for the response, Ranchu. I do appreciate it.
> > I apprecate it as well. Have an older white fan tail and he > is either snacking or sleeping on the bottom of his tank. > He's > pretty old for a good fish but I'd still like to keep him > around > for a bit longer. > > I do have an extra 3.5 gal tank so I'm thinking that when I > clean > the water later today, that I will put him in his own little > tank. > At the least it should take some stress away for him > > I'm new here but this post really caught my eye. Just the > post > I was going to write about and low and behol there it was. > > Donna > in WA
My fantail died. It was about 5 years old and had shared a 20 gal. tank
with a gold colored algae eater (Chinese I think). As the fan-tail was
dying the algae-eater came a rested next to it for 2 days, until the fan
tail had died. I don't want to anthropomorphize, but it really did look
like the algae-eater was trying to comfort the fan-tail, and afterward
it became very still for the next months, until I added some new fish to
the tank. At which point it seemed to remember that it was a fish,
uncoupled from the side of the tank and started swimming with the new
arrivals. It really looked like socialized behavior that I would never
would have imagined from a fish.
When I've had fish die, it is in conjunction with a foam that forms in
the tank. First along the edges of the tank where the water, air, and
glass meet, and then patches of it that float around the tank. The foam
it is happening again. So far, the only way I know how to combat it is
multiple 25% - 50% water changes, 2 - 4 tsp of salt per water change,
and to insure that the return water from the filter entrains air down
into the water at least 4 in.
Anybody have an idea of what I'm dealing with, and maybe a way to keep
it from returning?
--
- Billy
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.
Posted by on December 7, 2010, 2:23 pm
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1. dont ever put an algae eater in with GF. they take a liking to the slime
coat,
suck it off and the GF gets infection of the skin.
2. foam could well be the slime coat, or, it is basically organic matter which
foams.
your filter is not taking care of the organic matter. If your tank is not
75+oF, get
a heater to increase the biological activity of the biobugs. dont scrape the
insides
of the tank in back and sides, let the algae grow. cut back on feeding.
increase
filters, put another one on there.
>My fantail died. It was about 5 years old and had shared a 20 gal. tank >with a gold colored algae eater (Chinese I think).
>When I've had fish die, it is in conjunction with a foam that forms in >the tank. First along the edges of the tank where the water, air, and >glass meet, and then patches of it that float around the tank. The foam >it is happening again. So far, the only way I know how to combat it is >multiple 25% - 50% water changes, 2 - 4 tsp of salt per water change, >and to insure that the return water from the filter entrains air down >into the water at least 4 in. > >Anybody have an idea of what I'm dealing with, and maybe a way to keep >it from returning?
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Somewhere between zone 5 and 6 tucked along the shore of Lake Michigan
on the council grounds of the Fox, Mascouten, Potawatomi, and Winnebago
Posted by Billy on December 8, 2010, 8:00 pm
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dr-solo@wi.rr.com wrote:
> 1. dont ever put an algae eater in with GF. they take a liking to the slime > coat, > suck it off and the GF gets infection of the skin. > > 2. foam could well be the slime coat, or, it is basically organic matter > which foams. > your filter is not taking care of the organic matter. If your tank is not > 75+oF, get > a heater to increase the biological activity of the biobugs. dont scrape the > insides > of the tank in back and sides, let the algae grow. cut back on feeding. > increase > filters, put another one on there.
Thanks for the response.
I never see any interaction of the goldfish with the algae eater (which
hangs out on a large leaf or attached to the side of the tank). The
previous goldfish (a fantail) lived with the algae eater for 5 years
with no problem. I also have "White Clouds" in the tank as well, which
are said to be sensitive to ammonia, but everything has gone smoothly
with them for the last 18 months. I understand that the algae eater is
at his threshold for coolness, but the tank is in the living room which
never gets very cold.
--
- Billy
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.
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