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Posted by Joel on October 22, 2008, 1:37 pm
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> > > > I recently placed the goldfish that have been in my pond (since May=
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> > > > in a 30 gallon tank for the winter, they are fine, yet they seem to
> > > > love the aerator, they swim up and down through the bubbles and the=
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> > > > CRAZY, splishing and splashing and speeding around the tank.
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> > > > Is this normal?
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> > > > J
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> > > Just out of curiosity.......
> > > What type of Goldie are we talking about? Common / Comet, Fancy, or
> > > Koi?
> > > Large differences in the growth of each of those types, so it makes a
> > > difference.
> > > How big are they (inches long)?
> > > How many were put into the 30 gal.
> > > And lastly, was the 30g cycled before adding them? If so, what method
> > > did you use?
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> > Look like regular run of the mill goldfish (bought them at Petco for .
> > 25 each) So common goldies
> > About 4" in length
> > 5 in the tank
> > Bought the tank used and filled it with the water that was in the pond.
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> The up and down in the bubbles is normal.
> It's the other issues that are going to become a problem very soon.
> The tank is not cycled. Adding water from your pond didn't cycle the
> tank. Many people believe that by adding old water from an established
> tank (or pond) will make a new tank cycled or bring the nitrifying
> bacteria with it. It does not.
> The bacteria adhere to every surface inside the tank, and filtration
> system.
> This, along with water changes and gravel vacuuming is what keeps a
> tank healthy.
> Your tank is going to quickly become nitrite soup.
> Goldies produce vast amounts of waste. More than your average fish.
> You mentioned an "air stone". Is this in *addition* to your filter?
> If you do not have any filtration, just an airstone, 5 - four inch
> commons in an uncycled tank since May...I'm thinking their actions may
> not be play, but desperation to get out.
> What's the water change schedule on this tank (% changed and how
> often)?- Hide quoted text -
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I just added the fish in the tank Saturday, the fish were in the pond
since May, I have a filter and aerator, I plan on getting a gravel vac
as well and will be changing the water on a regular basis.
Sorry if the question was confusing
Thanks for the replies.
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Posted by Tynk on October 23, 2008, 10:03 am
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> I just added the fish in the tank Saturday, the fish were in the pond
> since May, I have a filter and aerator, I plan on getting a gravel vac
> as well and will be changing the water on a regular basis.
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> Sorry if the question was confusing
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> Thanks for the replies.
OK....
It's a good thing that the Goldies have only been in this tank since
Saturday. I had thought you said since May. That's where my confusion
came from.
So, it's probably a combo of lack of space, and play for now.
Very, very quickly those nitrites are going to explode.
One average fish in that tank would suffer from the coming "new tank
syndrome" (aka nitrite soup) in no time, but you have 5 - mega waste
producers.
Here's the deal. You obviously have a pond and are wintering your
goldies. However, you weren't prepared properly for the wintering
process.
You have a decision to make very, very soon. This weekend would be
good. That's how soon I'm talking about. You can save them if prevent
them from being damaged by the nitrite soup to come. Their gill tissue
will have burns so bad from it that the damage scars (if they
survive).
The more scarred gill tissue, the less oxygen they can get out of the
water column. Just an FYI for any of those out there that don't know
this.... Goldfish do NOT get O2 from the surface. That's actually them
suffocating. Just to clarify, many fish will take a few gulps at the
surface. That's not what I'm talking about.
I'm talking about not swimming around, just hanging at the surface,
gulping constantly. That's suffocation.
If you had great filtration, but had a nitrite soup situation.....you
would see the fish desperately trying to get out. Some may even jump
(fishicide).
Now if you don't want to get a larger tank I would take Ingrid's
suggestion of getting a "Rubbermaid" type tub. It has to be new,
rinsed out and scrubbed with a clean paper towel. Then fill it, add
your plants and fish.
I would suggest getting BioSpira and adding it. Make sure to use the
proper amount. Never less than you need....and you cannot use too
much. The more bacteria the better, so you can't really over do
BioSpira. This *will* cycle the tank. It has the correct- live
bacteria in it. Products like *Cycle* do NOT work. It has the wrong
bacteria in it. You need a product that has nitrospira bacteria in
it. Most of those cycling products have other bacteria in it that
aren't what you need when starting a tank.
If you can't get BioSpira as it is hard to find because it needs to be
refrigerated, you'll have to cycle the tub (or larger tank) with the
fish.
This will require lots of water changes to keep the nitrite levels
down. It has to be that way in order to cause the least amount of harm
to the fish.
It shouldn't make a difference that they cost like 25 cents each.
Those fish you have can grow to 16 inches each, and can live over 20
years.
Just out of curiosity, how large is the pond?
I had to ask that one.
Ponds became very popular these last few years here in the States, and
sadly many didn't research the fish's needs before doing so. That's
not a jab, that was just a matter of fact comment on the downside to
the recent popularity of ponds.
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Posted by Joel on October 23, 2008, 1:17 pm
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> > I just added the fish in the tank Saturday, the fish were in the pond
> > since May, I have a filter and aerator, I plan on getting a gravel vac
> > as well and will be changing the water on a regular basis.
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> > Sorry if the question was confusing
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> > Thanks for the replies.
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> OK....
> It's a good thing that the Goldies have only been in this tank since
> Saturday. I had thought you said since May. That's where my confusion
> came from.
> So, it's probably a combo of lack of space, and play for now.
> Very, very quickly those nitrites are going to explode.
> One average fish in that tank would suffer from the coming "new tank
> syndrome" (aka nitrite soup) in no time, but you have 5 - mega waste
> producers.
> Here's the deal. You obviously have a pond and are wintering your
> goldies. However, you weren't prepared properly for the wintering
> process.
> You have a decision to make very, very soon. This weekend would be
> good. That's how soon I'm talking about. You can save them if prevent
> them from being damaged by the nitrite soup to come. Their gill tissue
> will have burns so bad from it that the damage scars (if they
> survive).
> The more scarred gill tissue, the less oxygen they can get out of the
> water column. Just an FYI for any of those out there that don't know
> this.... Goldfish do NOT get O2 from the surface. That's actually them
> suffocating. =A0Just to clarify, many fish will take a few gulps at the
> surface. That's not what I'm talking about.
> I'm talking about not swimming around, just hanging at the surface,
> gulping constantly. That's suffocation.
> If you had great filtration, but had a nitrite soup situation.....you
> would see the fish desperately trying to get out. Some may even jump
> (fishicide).
> Now if you don't want to get a larger tank I would take Ingrid's
> suggestion of getting a "Rubbermaid" type tub. It has to be new,
> rinsed out and scrubbed with a clean paper towel. Then fill it, add
> your plants and fish.
> I would suggest getting BioSpira and adding it. Make sure to use the
> proper amount. Never less than you need....and you cannot use too
> much. The more bacteria the better, so you can't really over do
> BioSpira. This *will* cycle the tank. It has the correct- live
> bacteria in it. Products like *Cycle* do NOT work. It has the wrong
> bacteria in it. You need a product that has nitrospira =A0bacteria in
> it. Most of those cycling products have other bacteria in it that
> aren't what you need when starting a tank.
> If you can't get BioSpira as it is hard to find because it needs to be
> refrigerated, you'll have to cycle the tub (or larger tank) with the
> fish.
> This will require lots of water changes to keep the nitrite levels
> down. It has to be that way in order to cause the least amount of harm
> to the fish.
> It shouldn't make a difference that they cost like 25 cents each.
> Those fish you have can grow to 16 inches each, and can live over 20
> years.
> Just out of curiosity, how large is the pond?
> I had to ask that one.
> Ponds became very popular these last few years here in the States, and
> sadly many didn't research the fish's needs before doing so. That's
> not a jab, that was just a matter of fact comment on the downside to
> the recent popularity of ponds.
Pond is 15'x8'x2' deep.
Thanks for the replies.
J
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Posted by Tynk on October 27, 2008, 11:25 am
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> Kids love them too much. Besides, they did produce offspring, didn't
> see them in the pond till just recently (like another half dozen
> little black ones)
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> In trouble now =A0 =A0;)
=3D O DOH!
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Posted by Joel on October 28, 2008, 11:29 am
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> > Kids love them too much. Besides, they did produce offspring, didn't
> > see them in the pond till just recently (like another half dozen
> > little black ones)
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> > In trouble now =A0 =A0;)
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> =A0 =A0 =A0=3D O =A0 DOH!
Total # of fish
Originally bought 12 (And 1 crayfish)
scooped out 9 of the original 12 (lost 3) and 11 offspring (Which I
placed in a deep pond in a cemetary near my house, they should be fine
there)
Lost the crayfish too :(
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