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Poll: How long will the big Sword plant survive with the big Goldfish Bill Stock 10-30-2007
Posted by Bill Stock on November 9, 2007, 10:04 pm
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> "Bill Stock" <wrote
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>> No tank is 75 gallons, but probably still too small.
>
> Ok, you should be fine. (8+6+3)x5=17x5=85 and you are close to it. The 1
> who died of dropsy *may* be related to overcrowding combined with disease.
>
>> Cycle is fine, last time I lost the cycle was about two years ago when I
>> tread with P.P.. I lost only ONE fish to dropsy recently. His similar
>> sized cousin is the only one not currently sick. Kanamycin is helping and
>> their medicated food came today.
>
> How big was the one who died? If it was 8' or 6', that would be overload
> I think?
>

I had five fish in this tank for a long time, two BIG ones (6+" then) a
medium (5" then) and the two little ones (2+" then). About two years ago
they got sick (mostly Biggie #2). We tried everything, PP, water changes,
but lost the Cycle and things got worse. Biggie #2 went back to the pond as
a last resort to save her. She lasted another 1 & 1/2 seasons in the pond,
but we lost her last winter with a couple of others. That was our biggest
loss. Once I get them into the big tank with the large filter I hope to get
them beyond ten years.




Posted by Cshenk on November 10, 2007, 12:50 pm
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"Bill Stock" wrote


>> Ok, you should be fine. (8+6+3)x5=17x5=85 and you are close to it. The
>> 1 who died of dropsy *may* be related to overcrowding combined with
>> disease.
>
> I had five fish in this tank for a long time, two BIG ones (6+" then) a
> medium (5" then) and the two little ones (2+" then). About two years ago
> they got sick (mostly Biggie #2). We tried everything, PP, water changes,

ok, (6+6+5+2+2)x5=21x5= 'overload' for 75g tank. Take out one of the 6'
fellows and you are back to load you have now, where problems started.

Makes sense? As the fish got bigger, they overloaded the tank and problems
started.

> loss. Once I get them into the big tank with the large filter I hope to
> get them beyond ten years.

The larger filter will help alot. I'm making a reasonable guess that when
your fish load with current filter conditons hits about 16inches total, tank
starts to destabilize. A bigger filter will shift that to allow for more
fish load but if you lose power and have no way to run the filter, you may
well lose all the fish if you cant put them in the pond quick. Oh, the same
general idea pertains to the pond which robably isnt running any type of
airation (sp?) to assist so it's load potential possibly is even less than
10g per inch fish. I do not know much about pond fish but I do know if you
overload it, they will die too.




Posted by Bill Stock on November 10, 2007, 12:12 pm
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> "Bill Stock" wrote
>
>
>>> Ok, you should be fine. (8+6+3)x5=17x5=85 and you are close to it. The
>>> 1 who died of dropsy *may* be related to overcrowding combined with
>>> disease.
>>
>> I had five fish in this tank for a long time, two BIG ones (6+" then) a
>> medium (5" then) and the two little ones (2+" then). About two years ago
>> they got sick (mostly Biggie #2). We tried everything, PP, water changes,
>
> ok, (6+6+5+2+2)x5=21x5= 'overload' for 75g tank. Take out one of the 6'
> fellows and you are back to load you have now, where problems started.

The five fish are past tense, now down to 3.

No doubt the five were too many, just as the 3 are borderline now.


> Makes sense? As the fish got bigger, they overloaded the tank and
> problems started.
>
>> loss. Once I get them into the big tank with the large filter I hope to
>> get them beyond ten years.
>
> The larger filter will help alot. I'm making a reasonable guess that when
> your fish load with current filter conditons hits about 16inches total,
> tank starts to destabilize. A bigger filter will shift that to allow for
> more fish load but if you lose power and have no way to run the filter,
> you may well lose all the fish if you cant put them in the pond quick. Oh,
> the same general idea pertains to the pond which robably isnt running any
> type of airation (sp?) to assist so it's load potential possibly is even
> less than 10g per inch fish. I do not know much about pond fish but I do
> know if you overload it, they will die too.


Pond is undergoing renovations so the fish are in their indoor bucket (300
g) + filter. But normally the pond has a waterfall and fountain during the
warmer months and a bubbler during the winter. I'm not sure how many fish
there are, maybe 12 at 2.5 + four fry.





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