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Posted by redsockfluff on November 23, 2007, 6:29 pm
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> > Hi, fairly experinced fish keeper here but reestablishing a 70gT tank after
> > 6.5 years in storage. It's been ages since I had to start one over fresh.
> > I recall the process but not the time factor. No need for immediate answer,
> > the tank gets here in 4 days but we plan to fil it on the back porch to make
> > sure it's still watertight, and leave it there for a week. Then, we bring
> > it in and fill and start the process.
>
> > We normally start with just fresh water, gravel, and LFS plants and the
> > pump. I've had bad experiences with getting tank water from LFS places.
> > Then, after a week or so we add a molly nd leave it be. I seem to recall 3
> > weeks? Has to be a week after it clouds up then clears. There is a biota
> > bottle we used once and it worked well to get things going.
>
> > It's more of a 'remind me' than a teaching of the basics. Bet you folks are
> > happy to see that for a change!
> > xxcarol
>
> Hi there.
> Getting tank water from a pet shop is really a bad idea.
> If the idea in getting it was that you would be cycling your tank with
> it, it didn't.
> The nitrifying bacteria are stuck like to every surface inside the
> tank, filter, gravel, plants, decor...everything *except* the water.
> It used to be thought that the bacteria also were in the water column
> just floating about. They aren't.
> It was also once thought that adding the mulm from old dirty gravel is
> good, or squeezing out a dirty filter pad into a newly set up tank
> would cycle it too. All bunk. You're just adding crud, that's all. No
> benificial bacteria.
>
> Since you're getting back into the hobby, there have been some
> "bacteria starters" that have become common and are pushed by
> employees. Cycle, Stress Zyme, BioZyme, etc...all do *not* have the
> correct start up bacteria in them.
> They have a later stage bacteria that shows up (depending on the
> brand) wither middle or end stage cycling.
> The first stage bacteria in the cycling process are nitrospira
> bacteria. As far as I know, the only product so far with this
> nitrospira bacteria is BioSpira, made by Marineland.
> I have personally used many of the products listed above myself.
> None except BioSpira worked.
> I'm a long time hobbyists and let me tell you the terror I had the
> first time I used BioSpira on a large tank.
> I had used it before on a few smaller tanks, but nothing like a fully
> stocked 75g.
> My 75g was fully cycled in 24 hours of being set up, filled with new
> water, new gravel, new plants (plastic then), and all fish transfered
> (angelfish and female bettas, assorted bottom feeders) the same day.
> It was like it never happened. There was no crash, the ammonia spike,
> nothing.
> Then, a few years later I changed the gravel completely and used Bio
> Spira again.
> Again, nothing was noticed.....and that's fantastic!
> Of course all normal water changes, and proper maintenance was being
> done.
> So if you choose to use a bacteria starter, find BioSpira or forget
> about it.
> The product needs to be kept refrigerated (Not frozen! It kills the
> bacteria and makes the product useless).
> It can't be left at room temp either, or it'll die.
> I once had a problem with spoiled BioSpira I got at a pet shop. It
> turned out the employee stocking it put it out on the shef next to the
> other starter products and it had been there over night.
> When he found it was supposed to be refrigerated, he just stuck it in
> there and thought it would be fine. = / Duh. It wasn't.
> It was all chunky and brown looking, instead of looking like cloudy
> water.
> If you have any friends with healthy fish tanks, you can seed the tank
> with a stocking full of their gravel and hang it in the tank.
> You can also do a fishless cycling wich uses household ammonia. If you
> do this one, make sure you get *plain* ammonia (usually a generic
> brand) without any scents or additives.
> Cycling *with* fish, the usual of the past, isn't necessary anymore as
> there are better ways to cycle a tank.
> Fish do suffer effects when used for cycling. The degree varies of
> course and some hobbyists would think their fish appear to have no ill
> effects from it. However, usually they have scarred gill tissue from
> ammonia burns. Not something the average hobbyist is going to see.
> Welcome back too!
Hello there above poster...
i am doing a dissertation (for my BSc Hons in animal science) on the
maturation methods of fish tanks and found what you said very useful
and informative. i know your findings are through experince but do you
know of any scientific literature confirming your findings at all? and
if possible could you steer me in the right direction please? i would
be ever so grateful and i'd like to thank you for inadvertantly
steering me in the right direction with my dissertation project
without even knowing it!
thank you very much
red
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