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Upside-down Ryukin? Dana Taramina 05-08-2007
Posted by Dana Taramina on May 8, 2007, 12:24 am
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Hi all, hope you can help. I have a 45 gallon tank with 5 fish in it.
One redcap oranda, two black moors, and 2 pearl scale ryukins. Tank is
running well but I'm having major algae blooms I can't quite explain.
(No direct sunlight, water temp is steady at 70 degrees, pH and
nitrates just tested at Big Al's are normal.) Filter is an Aqua Clear
70. I do water changes every 2 weeks. Kent Freshwater Pro-Clear seems
to have cleaned up the water finally, but that doesn't really address
why it's happening in the first place. I'm still confused about that.

Here's my question for tonight though. My ryukins, one more than the
other, float upside-down for several hours after I feed them. (And I'm
very careful not to overfeed them.) Any idea what causes this? I've
tried floating food vs. sinking food and it doesn't seem to make any
difference. Any help is appreciated...

Dana

Posted by Navy Diver on May 8, 2007, 7:33 am
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Any idea what causes this? I've
tried floating food vs. sinking food and it doesn't seem to make any
difference. Any help is appreciated...

Dana

possible swim bladder disorder. not much you can do as they tend to
all have this. I've had three of my last 5 orandas develope this.


Posted by Dana Taramina on May 8, 2007, 10:40 am
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wrote:

>possible swim bladder disorder. not much you can do as they tend to
>all have this. I've had three of my last 5 orandas develope this.

I had an oranda do it too, many years ago. Thanks.

Dana

Posted by Pondmeister on May 8, 2007, 11:16 am
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Evidentlyi t got into your stash........and got high and messed up!

wrote:

<<>>Any idea what causes this? I've
<<>>tried floating food vs. sinking food and it doesn't seem to make any
<<>>difference. Any help is appreciated...
<<>>
<<>>Dana
<<>>
<<>>possible swim bladder disorder. not much you can do as they tend to
<<>>all have this. I've had three of my last 5 orandas develope this.



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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

Posted by on May 8, 2007, 9:32 am
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nitrates are normal? really? usually algae responds to nitrates, altho, if the
fish
are spawning this can spike ammonia and you might not catch it.
I am pretty surprised with that fish load and infrequent water changes that your
nitrates are low , at or lower than 20 ppm.
if you have gravel on the bottom, this could be fueling a problem.

floating;
http://weloveteaching.com/puregold/disease/symptom/symptom.htm#floating%20problems

it this cannot be resolved the fish will end up upside down permanently
get your temp up to 78oF
soak the food for an hour before feeding, and only a mouthful per fish.
overfeeding
and compaction/rotting is the major cause of floating. in a pond these fish
spend
all day hunting for itty bitty things to eat.
get some freeze dried krill and daphnia to feed them. GF are not really
herbivores,
they digest protein and fats and stuff that lives in the water. never feed food
with
corn or other carbohydrates in the first 3 ingredients.
fish are very efficient at converting food to muscle. they just dont need that
much
food, especially not at one time. Ingrid


>Hi all, hope you can help. I have a 45 gallon tank with 5 fish in it.
>One redcap oranda, two black moors, and 2 pearl scale ryukins. Tank is
>running well but I'm having major algae blooms I can't quite explain.
>(No direct sunlight, water temp is steady at 70 degrees, pH and
>nitrates just tested at Big Al's are normal.) Filter is an Aqua Clear
>70. I do water changes every 2 weeks. Kent Freshwater Pro-Clear seems
>to have cleaned up the water finally, but that doesn't really address
>why it's happening in the first place. I'm still confused about that.
>
>Here's my question for tonight though. My ryukins, one more than the
>other, float upside-down for several hours after I feed them. (And I'm
>very careful not to overfeed them.) Any idea what causes this? I've
>tried floating food vs. sinking food and it doesn't seem to make any
>difference. Any help is appreciated...
>
>Dana



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