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Posted by unclenorm on March 19, 2005, 1:25 am
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Now Benjamin you have started talking garbage,
What is all this 'Biological Nutrient sink' rubbish , you
should have taken my advise and found out how a deep sand bed operates
and what it does.
Deep sand beds apart here is a FACT for you to think about,
Nutrients can only exist in the water column no other non live form of
media can 'store' them as you seam to think certainly not sand.
I make nothing 'mandatory' I give advice or make
recommendations that I know are correct from very many years of
practical experience.
regards,
unclenorm.
P.S. I do not consider rotting food in the sand due to over feeding as
nutrients although the deep sand bed will take care of those to within
reason.
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Posted by Rich R on March 19, 2005, 10:52 am
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That's how I feel,,,,, will everyone stop trying to prove each other wrong
and feel free to add a option ,,,be it Wright or Wrong just state what
worked for you and let everyone see each others way of doing things,,10
years ago we would of been laughed off the board if we did what we know
works today. norm keep adding to the forum from what works for you it does
help(well at least it helps me) ,,,,please everyone just keep the posting
its very unproductive to just try to prove each other wrong and have the
extra banter,,,,,oh yea and stop in at reeftanksonline.com,,,,,lol
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> Now Benjamin you have started talking garbage,
>
> What is all this 'Biological Nutrient sink' rubbish , you
> should have taken my advise and found out how a deep sand bed operates
> and what it does.
>
> Deep sand beds apart here is a FACT for you to think about,
> Nutrients can only exist in the water column no other non live form of
> media can 'store' them as you seam to think certainly not sand.
>
> I make nothing 'mandatory' I give advice or make
> recommendations that I know are correct from very many years of
> practical experience.
> regards,
> unclenorm.
> P.S. I do not consider rotting food in the sand due to over feeding as
> nutrients although the deep sand bed will take care of those to within
> reason.
>
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Posted by Benjamin on March 19, 2005, 3:06 pm
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Here is a good thread for DSB reference material as an example of where I
come up with my view:
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=48a2ea746e306a0d938b89c1e83b11aa&threadid=263482&perpage=25&pagenumber=1
Rich R,
Sigh... I have only the one issue with Unclenorm, he continues to state
opinion as fact. If he was only stating opinion as such instead of
immoveable fact, I would be able to shut up. I think otherwise he is quite
helpful.
Unclenorm,
This topic has been beaten absolutely to death on every major reef board on
the net... trying to contort what I have said is just ridiculous and isn't
gonna change anything. Keep the facts fact and the opinions opinion and I
really will stop harping, really.
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> That's how I feel,,,,, will everyone stop trying to prove each other wrong
> and feel free to add a option ,,,be it Wright or Wrong just state what
> worked for you and let everyone see each others way of doing things,,10
> years ago we would of been laughed off the board if we did what we know
> works today. norm keep adding to the forum from what works for you it
> does help(well at least it helps me) ,,,,please everyone just keep the
> posting its very unproductive to just try to prove each other wrong and
> have the extra banter,,,,,oh yea and stop in at
> reeftanksonline.com,,,,,lol
>
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>
> www.reeftanksonline.com
> www.nydiver.com
> ONLINE meeting rooms
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>> Now Benjamin you have started talking garbage,
>>
>> What is all this 'Biological Nutrient sink' rubbish , you
>> should have taken my advise and found out how a deep sand bed operates
>> and what it does.
>>
>> Deep sand beds apart here is a FACT for you to think about,
>> Nutrients can only exist in the water column no other non live form of
>> media can 'store' them as you seam to think certainly not sand.
>>
>> I make nothing 'mandatory' I give advice or make
>> recommendations that I know are correct from very many years of
>> practical experience.
>> regards,
>> unclenorm.
>> P.S. I do not consider rotting food in the sand due to over feeding as
>> nutrients although the deep sand bed will take care of those to within
>> reason.
>>
>>
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Posted by unclenorm on March 20, 2005, 9:00 am
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Hi Benjamin,
I Have not tried to contort anything you have
said, my issue is with your statement that a DSB is a store for
nutrients, this is not true. I looked at your link, there is a paper in
there by a Japanese scientist that talks about the microbial conversion
of the nutrients we have been talking about. I do not intend pursuing
this mater any further as you have obviously decided that I am wrong,
OK all I can say is that I must have some very unique systems that have
happily performed as I have indicated for many years, goblins at the
bottom of my DSB's maybe !!!
regards,
unclenorm.
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Posted by Benjamin on March 23, 2005, 1:59 pm
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unclenorm,
It is true, DSB's act like a sponge/sink for nutrients... and looking at the
info in that link with a blindfold on doesn't count!
I did not say a DSB cannot be used, nor that they cannot be used rather
sucsessfully. My point is they are not a "Holy Grail" type of solution,
they have benefits as well as drawbacks, but they certainly are not
required. If you feel they are, that is fine, I can respect any opinion,
just don't call an opinion fact and all is well unclenorm.
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> Hi Benjamin,
> I Have not tried to contort anything you have
> said, my issue is with your statement that a DSB is a store for
> nutrients, this is not true. I looked at your link, there is a paper in
> there by a Japanese scientist that talks about the microbial conversion
> of the nutrients we have been talking about. I do not intend pursuing
> this mater any further as you have obviously decided that I am wrong,
> OK all I can say is that I must have some very unique systems that have
> happily performed as I have indicated for many years, goblins at the
> bottom of my DSB's maybe !!!
> regards,
> unclenorm.
>
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>
> What is all this 'Biological Nutrient sink' rubbish , you
> should have taken my advise and found out how a deep sand bed operates
> and what it does.
>
> Deep sand beds apart here is a FACT for you to think about,
> Nutrients can only exist in the water column no other non live form of
> media can 'store' them as you seam to think certainly not sand.
>
> I make nothing 'mandatory' I give advice or make
> recommendations that I know are correct from very many years of
> practical experience.
> regards,
> unclenorm.
> P.S. I do not consider rotting food in the sand due to over feeding as
> nutrients although the deep sand bed will take care of those to within
> reason.
>
>