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Shrimp keep dying?? Susan 05-21-2005
Posted by CheezWiz on May 22, 2005, 6:03 pm
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I use SeaChem reef buffer myself. Be sure to measure alkalinity as well.

I used a product some will refer to a "Snake Oil" to remedy my tank of high
nitrates after it was in "Storage" mode for a couple of years at my
girlfriend's (now wife) house while I was away at school. It requires a
skimmer and that is why I asked about it.
After doing many large water changes only to end up with still high nitrates
in the tank (>160), I resorted to AZNO3 or Absolute Zero NO3. It worked as
advertised, but I only had live rock and microfauna in my tank at the time.
It reduced my nitrates to zero in a month and gave me a starting point for
rebuilding the tank. It is supposed to be reef safe, but I cannot testify to
that fact..

Since yours is only at 60 (but still too high) hopefully you can bring it
down with additional rock only. Upgrading to a better skimmer could also
help by greatly reducing the amount of Dissolved Organics before they are
broken down to nitrate. You do not mention what kind of bottom you have in
your tank. Is it bare? Crushed coral? Silicate Sand? Aragonite Sand?

The canister filter is fine so long as you do not use any floss or sponge in
it (circulation only). Only use it for absorbent filter media, but it still
needs to be broken down and cleaned every couple of weeks and media changed
only when exhausted. Even a poly filter can become a nitrate factory when it
gets clogged with organic wastes. The canister adds to the total volume of
tank water, so it helps with dilution of the bad stuff. But if cleaning it
is a hassle, then sacrifice it for a powerhead or two in the main tank and
use your skilter for absorbent media since it is really easy to clean.

Use a turkey baster on a regular basis to get detritus up and into the
skilter, cleaning the skilter after the water clears. Try to do that at
least once a week..

CW

>I have a skilter filter (I know it's on the low end ) that I'm only
>running a poly filter in. I mainly use it for water movement but the
>skimmer does pick up. I cleaned that up yesterday to as it may have
>contributed to high nitrates. My Ph has dropped some so I'm going to work
>with that today.
>
> Thanks,
> Susan :)
>> Do you have a protein skimmer?
>> Also, with corals and inverts, I would keep that PH at 8.2-8.4...
>>
>> CW
>>>I hope someone out there can give me an idea what's going on in my tank.
>>>I have a 29 gallon reef/fish tank with approx.15-20 lbs live rock. It's
>>>been set up for about 10 months. After I had it set up I bought a
>>>pepperment shrimp who got big and was thriving. I found him dead
>>>recently in my tank with no apparent injury. I rubbed it off that he was
>>>old. I since had purchased 2 cleaner shrimps at different times and lost
>>>both of them within a week after buying each of them. Again no apparent
>>>injury. Salinity is 24, PH 8.0, no nitrites or ammonia. Nitrates around
>>>60.(It's always been around this point since setting it up) I added a
>>>few corals to the tank a month or so ago. I have a damsel, 2 clown fish,
>>>clown goby, 2 crabs and a turbo snail that have lived in the tank a long
>>>time and doing well. The guy at the pet store thought maybe it was a
>>>mantis shrimp killing them. I haven't seen any in my tank and assume
>>>they would eat the shrimp if they did kill them?? Anybody have any ideas
>>>what is killing off the shrimps?
>>>
>>> Thanks--Susan
>>>
>>
>>
>
>



Posted by Susan on May 22, 2005, 11:52 pm
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I have around 20#'s of Carib Sea Aragalive sand. I would like to add some
more into the tank. Not sure though if it would mess up my tank now though
since it's been stocked?? Does anyone have any suggestions on what would be
a good skimmer for a 29 gallon tank?

Thanks,
Susan
>I use SeaChem reef buffer myself. Be sure to measure alkalinity as well.
>
> I used a product some will refer to a "Snake Oil" to remedy my tank of
> high nitrates after it was in "Storage" mode for a couple of years at my
> girlfriend's (now wife) house while I was away at school. It requires a
> skimmer and that is why I asked about it.
> After doing many large water changes only to end up with still high
> nitrates in the tank (>160), I resorted to AZNO3 or Absolute Zero NO3. It
> worked as advertised, but I only had live rock and microfauna in my tank
> at the time. It reduced my nitrates to zero in a month and gave me a
> starting point for rebuilding the tank. It is supposed to be reef safe,
> but I cannot testify to that fact..
>
> Since yours is only at 60 (but still too high) hopefully you can bring it
> down with additional rock only. Upgrading to a better skimmer could also
> help by greatly reducing the amount of Dissolved Organics before they are
> broken down to nitrate. You do not mention what kind of bottom you have in
> your tank. Is it bare? Crushed coral? Silicate Sand? Aragonite Sand?
>
> The canister filter is fine so long as you do not use any floss or sponge
> in it (circulation only). Only use it for absorbent filter media, but it
> still needs to be broken down and cleaned every couple of weeks and media
> changed only when exhausted. Even a poly filter can become a nitrate
> factory when it gets clogged with organic wastes. The canister adds to the
> total volume of tank water, so it helps with dilution of the bad stuff.
> But if cleaning it is a hassle, then sacrifice it for a powerhead or two
> in the main tank and use your skilter for absorbent media since it is
> really easy to clean.
>
> Use a turkey baster on a regular basis to get detritus up and into the
> skilter, cleaning the skilter after the water clears. Try to do that at
> least once a week..
>
> CW
>
>>I have a skilter filter (I know it's on the low end ) that I'm only
>>running a poly filter in. I mainly use it for water movement but the
>>skimmer does pick up. I cleaned that up yesterday to as it may have
>>contributed to high nitrates. My Ph has dropped some so I'm going to work
>>with that today.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Susan :)
>>> Do you have a protein skimmer?
>>> Also, with corals and inverts, I would keep that PH at 8.2-8.4...
>>>
>>> CW
>>>>I hope someone out there can give me an idea what's going on in my tank.
>>>>I have a 29 gallon reef/fish tank with approx.15-20 lbs live rock. It's
>>>>been set up for about 10 months. After I had it set up I bought a
>>>>pepperment shrimp who got big and was thriving. I found him dead
>>>>recently in my tank with no apparent injury. I rubbed it off that he was
>>>>old. I since had purchased 2 cleaner shrimps at different times and
>>>>lost both of them within a week after buying each of them. Again no
>>>>apparent injury. Salinity is 24, PH 8.0, no nitrites or ammonia.
>>>>Nitrates around 60.(It's always been around this point since setting it
>>>>up) I added a few corals to the tank a month or so ago. I have a
>>>>damsel, 2 clown fish, clown goby, 2 crabs and a turbo snail that have
>>>>lived in the tank a long time and doing well. The guy at the pet store
>>>>thought maybe it was a mantis shrimp killing them. I haven't seen any
>>>>in my tank and assume they would eat the shrimp if they did kill them??
>>>>Anybody have any ideas what is killing off the shrimps?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks--Susan
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>



Posted by CheezWiz on May 23, 2005, 8:35 am
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Don't pay for the "Alive" stuff and get dry instead.
Rinse it really well, then put it in.
Just pour it in around the rockwork and get a depth of 4"+ .

It will cloud the tank, but running it through the skilter and a poly filter
should get a lot of it out. The rest will settle. Just be sure to blow it
off the sessile inverts. I would suggest a small grain oolitic sand for best
nitrate reduction. Others may have additional ideas.

CW
>I have around 20#'s of Carib Sea Aragalive sand. I would like to add some
>more into the tank. Not sure though if it would mess up my tank now though
>since it's been stocked?? Does anyone have any suggestions on what would
>be a good skimmer for a 29 gallon tank?
>
> Thanks,
> Susan
>>I use SeaChem reef buffer myself. Be sure to measure alkalinity as well.
>>
>> I used a product some will refer to a "Snake Oil" to remedy my tank of
>> high nitrates after it was in "Storage" mode for a couple of years at my
>> girlfriend's (now wife) house while I was away at school. It requires a
>> skimmer and that is why I asked about it.
>> After doing many large water changes only to end up with still high
>> nitrates in the tank (>160), I resorted to AZNO3 or Absolute Zero NO3. It
>> worked as advertised, but I only had live rock and microfauna in my tank
>> at the time. It reduced my nitrates to zero in a month and gave me a
>> starting point for rebuilding the tank. It is supposed to be reef safe,
>> but I cannot testify to that fact..
>>
>> Since yours is only at 60 (but still too high) hopefully you can bring it
>> down with additional rock only. Upgrading to a better skimmer could also
>> help by greatly reducing the amount of Dissolved Organics before they are
>> broken down to nitrate. You do not mention what kind of bottom you have
>> in your tank. Is it bare? Crushed coral? Silicate Sand? Aragonite Sand?
>>
>> The canister filter is fine so long as you do not use any floss or sponge
>> in it (circulation only). Only use it for absorbent filter media, but it
>> still needs to be broken down and cleaned every couple of weeks and media
>> changed only when exhausted. Even a poly filter can become a nitrate
>> factory when it gets clogged with organic wastes. The canister adds to
>> the total volume of tank water, so it helps with dilution of the bad
>> stuff. But if cleaning it is a hassle, then sacrifice it for a powerhead
>> or two in the main tank and use your skilter for absorbent media since it
>> is really easy to clean.
>>
>> Use a turkey baster on a regular basis to get detritus up and into the
>> skilter, cleaning the skilter after the water clears. Try to do that at
>> least once a week..
>>
>> CW
>>
>>>I have a skilter filter (I know it's on the low end ) that I'm only
>>>running a poly filter in. I mainly use it for water movement but the
>>>skimmer does pick up. I cleaned that up yesterday to as it may have
>>>contributed to high nitrates. My Ph has dropped some so I'm going to
>>>work with that today.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Susan :)
>>>> Do you have a protein skimmer?
>>>> Also, with corals and inverts, I would keep that PH at 8.2-8.4...
>>>>
>>>> CW
>>>>>I hope someone out there can give me an idea what's going on in my
>>>>>tank. I have a 29 gallon reef/fish tank with approx.15-20 lbs live
>>>>>rock. It's been set up for about 10 months. After I had it set up I
>>>>>bought a pepperment shrimp who got big and was thriving. I found him
>>>>>dead recently in my tank with no apparent injury. I rubbed it off that
>>>>>he was old. I since had purchased 2 cleaner shrimps at different times
>>>>>and lost both of them within a week after buying each of them. Again no
>>>>>apparent injury. Salinity is 24, PH 8.0, no nitrites or ammonia.
>>>>>Nitrates around 60.(It's always been around this point since setting it
>>>>>up) I added a few corals to the tank a month or so ago. I have a
>>>>>damsel, 2 clown fish, clown goby, 2 crabs and a turbo snail that have
>>>>>lived in the tank a long time and doing well. The guy at the pet store
>>>>>thought maybe it was a mantis shrimp killing them. I haven't seen any
>>>>>in my tank and assume they would eat the shrimp if they did kill them??
>>>>>Anybody have any ideas what is killing off the shrimps?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks--Susan
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>



Posted by Fred on May 23, 2005, 3:00 pm
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Any ideas as to the best place to get dry sand. Would the sand they sell for
kids sand boxes be ok.
> Don't pay for the "Alive" stuff and get dry instead.
> Rinse it really well, then put it in.
> Just pour it in around the rockwork and get a depth of 4"+ .
>
> It will cloud the tank, but running it through the skilter and a poly
filter
> should get a lot of it out. The rest will settle. Just be sure to blow it
> off the sessile inverts. I would suggest a small grain oolitic sand for
best
> nitrate reduction. Others may have additional ideas.
>
> CW
> >I have around 20#'s of Carib Sea Aragalive sand. I would like to add
some
> >more into the tank. Not sure though if it would mess up my tank now
though
> >since it's been stocked?? Does anyone have any suggestions on what would
> >be a good skimmer for a 29 gallon tank?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Susan
> >>I use SeaChem reef buffer myself. Be sure to measure alkalinity as well.
> >>
> >> I used a product some will refer to a "Snake Oil" to remedy my tank of
> >> high nitrates after it was in "Storage" mode for a couple of years at
my
> >> girlfriend's (now wife) house while I was away at school. It requires a
> >> skimmer and that is why I asked about it.
> >> After doing many large water changes only to end up with still high
> >> nitrates in the tank (>160), I resorted to AZNO3 or Absolute Zero NO3.
It
> >> worked as advertised, but I only had live rock and microfauna in my
tank
> >> at the time. It reduced my nitrates to zero in a month and gave me a
> >> starting point for rebuilding the tank. It is supposed to be reef safe,
> >> but I cannot testify to that fact..
> >>
> >> Since yours is only at 60 (but still too high) hopefully you can bring
it
> >> down with additional rock only. Upgrading to a better skimmer could
also
> >> help by greatly reducing the amount of Dissolved Organics before they
are
> >> broken down to nitrate. You do not mention what kind of bottom you have
> >> in your tank. Is it bare? Crushed coral? Silicate Sand? Aragonite Sand?
> >>
> >> The canister filter is fine so long as you do not use any floss or
sponge
> >> in it (circulation only). Only use it for absorbent filter media, but
it
> >> still needs to be broken down and cleaned every couple of weeks and
media
> >> changed only when exhausted. Even a poly filter can become a nitrate
> >> factory when it gets clogged with organic wastes. The canister adds to
> >> the total volume of tank water, so it helps with dilution of the bad
> >> stuff. But if cleaning it is a hassle, then sacrifice it for a
powerhead
> >> or two in the main tank and use your skilter for absorbent media since
it
> >> is really easy to clean.
> >>
> >> Use a turkey baster on a regular basis to get detritus up and into the
> >> skilter, cleaning the skilter after the water clears. Try to do that at
> >> least once a week..
> >>
> >> CW
> >>
> >>>I have a skilter filter (I know it's on the low end ) that I'm only
> >>>running a poly filter in. I mainly use it for water movement but the
> >>>skimmer does pick up. I cleaned that up yesterday to as it may have
> >>>contributed to high nitrates. My Ph has dropped some so I'm going to
> >>>work with that today.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Susan :)
> >>>> Do you have a protein skimmer?
> >>>> Also, with corals and inverts, I would keep that PH at 8.2-8.4...
> >>>>
> >>>> CW
> >>>>>I hope someone out there can give me an idea what's going on in my
> >>>>>tank. I have a 29 gallon reef/fish tank with approx.15-20 lbs live
> >>>>>rock. It's been set up for about 10 months. After I had it set up I
> >>>>>bought a pepperment shrimp who got big and was thriving. I found him
> >>>>>dead recently in my tank with no apparent injury. I rubbed it off
that
> >>>>>he was old. I since had purchased 2 cleaner shrimps at different
times
> >>>>>and lost both of them within a week after buying each of them. Again
no
> >>>>>apparent injury. Salinity is 24, PH 8.0, no nitrites or ammonia.
> >>>>>Nitrates around 60.(It's always been around this point since setting
it
> >>>>>up) I added a few corals to the tank a month or so ago. I have a
> >>>>>damsel, 2 clown fish, clown goby, 2 crabs and a turbo snail that have
> >>>>>lived in the tank a long time and doing well. The guy at the pet
store
> >>>>>thought maybe it was a mantis shrimp killing them. I haven't seen
any
> >>>>>in my tank and assume they would eat the shrimp if they did kill
them??
> >>>>>Anybody have any ideas what is killing off the shrimps?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks--Susan
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>



Posted by CheezWiz on May 23, 2005, 6:14 pm
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Others here can best answer that. There is a Caribbean silica sand called
"sundown" I think that everyone likes. It has been spotted at places like
home depot and lowes. Not just any stuff will do....

In the absence of that, you can use something like this (I use the meridian
oolitic above my plenum which is filled with Onyx sand):
http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=8119&N=2004+113553

but you have to have some burrowing critters to keep aragonite from turning
into cement blocks..

> Any ideas as to the best place to get dry sand. Would the sand they sell
> for
> kids sand boxes be ok.
>> Don't pay for the "Alive" stuff and get dry instead.
>> Rinse it really well, then put it in.
>> Just pour it in around the rockwork and get a depth of 4"+ .
>>
>> It will cloud the tank, but running it through the skilter and a poly
> filter
>> should get a lot of it out. The rest will settle. Just be sure to blow it
>> off the sessile inverts. I would suggest a small grain oolitic sand for
> best
>> nitrate reduction. Others may have additional ideas.
>>
>> CW
>> >I have around 20#'s of Carib Sea Aragalive sand. I would like to add
> some
>> >more into the tank. Not sure though if it would mess up my tank now
> though
>> >since it's been stocked?? Does anyone have any suggestions on what
>> >would
>> >be a good skimmer for a 29 gallon tank?
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Susan
>> >>I use SeaChem reef buffer myself. Be sure to measure alkalinity as
>> >>well.
>> >>
>> >> I used a product some will refer to a "Snake Oil" to remedy my tank of
>> >> high nitrates after it was in "Storage" mode for a couple of years at
> my
>> >> girlfriend's (now wife) house while I was away at school. It requires
>> >> a
>> >> skimmer and that is why I asked about it.
>> >> After doing many large water changes only to end up with still high
>> >> nitrates in the tank (>160), I resorted to AZNO3 or Absolute Zero NO3.
> It
>> >> worked as advertised, but I only had live rock and microfauna in my
> tank
>> >> at the time. It reduced my nitrates to zero in a month and gave me a
>> >> starting point for rebuilding the tank. It is supposed to be reef
>> >> safe,
>> >> but I cannot testify to that fact..
>> >>
>> >> Since yours is only at 60 (but still too high) hopefully you can bring
> it
>> >> down with additional rock only. Upgrading to a better skimmer could
> also
>> >> help by greatly reducing the amount of Dissolved Organics before they
> are
>> >> broken down to nitrate. You do not mention what kind of bottom you
>> >> have
>> >> in your tank. Is it bare? Crushed coral? Silicate Sand? Aragonite
>> >> Sand?
>> >>
>> >> The canister filter is fine so long as you do not use any floss or
> sponge
>> >> in it (circulation only). Only use it for absorbent filter media, but
> it
>> >> still needs to be broken down and cleaned every couple of weeks and
> media
>> >> changed only when exhausted. Even a poly filter can become a nitrate
>> >> factory when it gets clogged with organic wastes. The canister adds to
>> >> the total volume of tank water, so it helps with dilution of the bad
>> >> stuff. But if cleaning it is a hassle, then sacrifice it for a
> powerhead
>> >> or two in the main tank and use your skilter for absorbent media since
> it
>> >> is really easy to clean.
>> >>
>> >> Use a turkey baster on a regular basis to get detritus up and into the
>> >> skilter, cleaning the skilter after the water clears. Try to do that
>> >> at
>> >> least once a week..
>> >>
>> >> CW
>> >>
>> >>>I have a skilter filter (I know it's on the low end ) that I'm only
>> >>>running a poly filter in. I mainly use it for water movement but the
>> >>>skimmer does pick up. I cleaned that up yesterday to as it may have
>> >>>contributed to high nitrates. My Ph has dropped some so I'm going to
>> >>>work with that today.
>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks,
>> >>> Susan :)
>> >>>> Do you have a protein skimmer?
>> >>>> Also, with corals and inverts, I would keep that PH at 8.2-8.4...
>> >>>>
>> >>>> CW
>> >>>>>I hope someone out there can give me an idea what's going on in my
>> >>>>>tank. I have a 29 gallon reef/fish tank with approx.15-20 lbs live
>> >>>>>rock. It's been set up for about 10 months. After I had it set up
>> >>>>>I
>> >>>>>bought a pepperment shrimp who got big and was thriving. I found
>> >>>>>him
>> >>>>>dead recently in my tank with no apparent injury. I rubbed it off
> that
>> >>>>>he was old. I since had purchased 2 cleaner shrimps at different
> times
>> >>>>>and lost both of them within a week after buying each of them. Again
> no
>> >>>>>apparent injury. Salinity is 24, PH 8.0, no nitrites or ammonia.
>> >>>>>Nitrates around 60.(It's always been around this point since setting
> it
>> >>>>>up) I added a few corals to the tank a month or so ago. I have a
>> >>>>>damsel, 2 clown fish, clown goby, 2 crabs and a turbo snail that
>> >>>>>have
>> >>>>>lived in the tank a long time and doing well. The guy at the pet
> store
>> >>>>>thought maybe it was a mantis shrimp killing them. I haven't seen
> any
>> >>>>>in my tank and assume they would eat the shrimp if they did kill
> them??
>> >>>>>Anybody have any ideas what is killing off the shrimps?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Thanks--Susan
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>



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